Am I being Pedantic, a PITA or just Getting old and Grump[ier]

[Ivan in Oz]

No need to answer,
I won't like the answer.

I was reading on another Forum and had great difficulty understanding it,
without rereading the message.
It went:-
hey guys im chasing a rb20det wiring diagram and also an rb30 i have done a converison and need the finshing touches plese help off hte ecu there are two plugs need to no the wires so i can join them also a plud to the batter posative

They get WORSERER!!!!...........:D

Anyone elso getting Jack of SMS, Shortened eGlish Jibberish?
OK, Number Plate spelling in its place.

SaopBox twice in one day,
time to go jump in the Pool

[bitingmidge]

m8!

m8 !!!


Actually @ Google Earth

P (who don't like it neither!)
:D :D :D

[Wood Butcher]

Anyone elso getting Jack of SMS, Shortened eGlish Jibberish? Currently studying to be a Manual Arts teacher and one of the experienced teachers that I have talked to said that sometimes they feel pressured to be a bit lax on spelling and grammar in exams so long as the content is correct.:eek:

That is not right!!!:mad::mad::mad:

[Termite]

Anyone elso getting Jack of SMS, Shortened eGlish Jibberish?
Welcome to the club mate, I don't know whether they are trying to be "With it" or are racing through life and can't spare the time, or are just plain bloody lazy. All I know is that it irritates me when I have to decipher it.

And I am an "Old grumpy PITA", just ask my @#$%%#! stepson, who caused the first disagreement I've ever had with SWMBO in the 15 years we've been together.:mad:

[craigb]

No I can't stand it either. So much so that I don't read posts that are written that way.

Life is too short to spend time trying to deciper that crap.

Craig (grumpy old bastard) :p

[Sturdee]

Anyone elso getting Jack of SMS, Shortened eGlish Jibberish?


I don't know what it means to others but to me it spells : " Please ignore this post, close this window and move on to the next post as I'm an idiot who really doesn't want your input."

And I always comply to such perceived request.:p


Peter.

[ozwinner]

Me2 It iret8s me trying to read it.

Al :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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[Auld Bassoon]

Quite so.

If one cannot be bothered (or have sufficient education) to write even approximately correct (insert relevant language here) messages, then, in my view, don't.

These SMS-type messages are just a gross impertinance IMO.

Grumpy auld buggah!

Cheers!

[JohnM]

Me too

[normell]

Spelling is not one of my strongest skills, but I learned how to use ieSpell very early on the Internet
http://www.iespell.com

Normell

[PuppyPaw]

eh, I can read the short hand just as easly as I can read regular text.
neither is difficult.
Its prolly cause ur all gettin old!

[ozwinner]

eh, I can read the short hand just as easly as I can read regular text.
neither is difficult.
Its prolly cause ur all gettin old!

Red on the way.
Its prolly cause Im gettin all old!

Al :D

[Iain]

It's not shorthand, it's just semi literate crap, shorthand is an acquired skill not just some abbreviated rubbish.
Either you can spell or you can't, gr8 what a load of hot co*k, just spell great, it's probably quicker and intellectually more stimulating too.

[craigb]

It's not shorthand, it's just semi literate crap, shorthand is an acquired skill not just some abbreviated rubbish.
Either you can spell or you can't, gr8 what a load of hot co*k, just spell great, it's probably quicker and intellectually more stimulating too.

Well said.

I can see a place for that stuff if you are sending a text on a mobile. After all, entering text on a mobile sucks.

There is no reason for it if you are using a qwerty keyboard. It's just laziness.

[oges]

Not wanting to offend any of our US friends, but it irritates me when some Australians spell in Amerienglish. Often chipping SWMBO who does this :rolleyes:

[DanP]

It's not shorthand, it's just semi literate crap,

That's probably what they said about shorthand when someone first started doing that.:p

Dan

[Driver]

Well said.

I can see a place for that stuff if you are sending a text on a mobile. After all, entering text on a mobile sucks.

There is no reason for it if you are using a qwerty keyboard. It's just laziness.

Old Grumpy Bastard - Western Australian Division checking in!

Couldn't agree more, Craig. SMS texting is - like a lot of mobile phone calls - a really half-@rsed substitute for real conversation. The half-wit spelling that goes with it is part of the same problem: immature lame-brains who think it's cool to over-use technology as a substitute for real human contact.

Grump, Grump!

(It's never been the same since they banned flogging and the stocks).

And another thing: if SMS texting hadn't been invented, we'd all think Warnie was a brilliant leggie. Instead, we all think he's a brilliant leggie who can't keep his strides well-zipped.

[craigb]

And another thing: if SMS texting hadn't been invented, we'd all think Warnie was a brilliant leggie. Instead, we all think he's a brilliant leggie who can't keep his strides well-zipped.

:D :D

Can't give you a greenie for that, for the usual reason. :D

[AlexS]

:D :D

Can't give you a greenie for that, for the usual reason. :D
Gave him one on your behalf mate.

[Driver]

Aw, shucks! :o

[Daddles]

I can see a place for that stuff if you are sending a text on a mobile. After all, entering text on a mobile sucks. .

No, there's not even a place for it on a mobile. Yes, I have sent SMS messages. Yes, I have sent quite a few and some of them rather long. Yes, they were all spelt correctly with the correct grammar. Attempting anything less (as opposed to achieving it :D ) is laziness. And no, that's not me being old and grumpy, that's me believing that the worth of what you are saying is reflected in the effort you put into expressing it.

Richard

[rick_rine]

whats PITA mean ?:confused:

[Wood Butcher]

whats PITA mean ?:confused:
Pain In The !

[oges]

my mobile has that smart word thingy when doing sms, so often easier to spell it right anyway rather than trying to shorten the words

[Munga]

SMS abbreviating is a PITA, American ENGLISH is a bigger PITA, but the biggest PITA is that they allow it encourage it and teach it in schools even in exams. :mad:

Arch

bugger it mad enough for another one:mad:

[silentC]

I've got that T9 thingy on my mobile too and you have to try really hard to mispell a word. The best you can do is to use the wrong word when there is more than one word with the same key strokes. Like ME vs. OF. I'm always SMSing SWMBO asking her to "please get of some beer while you.re at the shops".

Pet hate? Would of, should of, had of. I've actually heard people on the radio and TV say "he would of". I've also read it in the paper. I can handle uneducated types saying it (just) but when someone is paid to communicate and they can't get it right :mad:

I had a conversation with an ABC radio announcer the other night about this. She said it was OK for people on the radio to say "of" instead of "have" because one of their policies is to speak in a casual conversational manner and it is an example of using a common form of language. I found myself having to disagree.

There are two schools of thought on this one. Some say that language skills are declining and something needs to be done about it. Others say language skills are declining and it doesn't matter because english is an evolving language and it's the messages, not the words used, that count. Unfortunately, it seems that the education system is in the latter camp.

This is my first post for 2006. Looks like my New Year's Resolution has lasted all of 2 days.... :D

[Iain]

Sign in pub in Western District "takeaway food to be brought and consumed before 10 pm' never quite sure if he's selling it or offering somewhere to eat it.
Pet hate, even from current affairs hosts 'they met at 10.00am in the morning', well, it wouldn't be 10am in the bloody afternoon would it.

[Auld Bassoon]

I'm with Brett on this. I really detest Amanglish.

Note to self: stop berating (work) team member for using 'z' instead of 's' - he's Canadian, and can't help it:D

Cheers!

PS Does anyone recall the much-missed English satirical magazine "Punch"? - used to love the "Franglais" column:eek:

[Iain]

PS Does anyone recall the much-missed English satirical magazine "Punch"? - used to love the "Franglais" column:eek:
Yes I do, my distant memories of it were something to hold in that period of torment in an English dental surgery, running late, exacerbating the pain that was to follow and not really reading what was in front of you:o

[fxst]

My solution is very simple
I have a mobile phone as does my wife
I have no need for SMS or the wierd spelling it evolved so I do something really strange I use the mobile to make ...wait for it....PHONE CALLS:D :D

I delete any SMS message because I feel that if they can afford the sms they can afford a 30sec phone call. Promoting SMS only leads to a bigger road risk with people SMS-ing as they drive. Last year in Sth Oz a young woman was killed SMS-ing while driving. Its bad enough with them using phones while driving:mad:

Pete

[Iain]

Last year in Sth Oz a young woman was killed SMS-ing while driving. Its bad enough with them using phones while driving:mad:

Pete
We had a recent example of that here with a young female Doctor SMSing (is that correct?) whilst driving, killed one innocent pedestrian.
SMS can be a useful tool for leaving a message where there is no answering service, I refuse to pay for one ande get a few text messages, like you said though, I cannot stand the abbreviated form, even messages I have received in writing have been finished with little gems (or should that be germs) like Rgds, Thnx (that one had me for a while).
I also remember and article in a magazine many moons ago relating to an advert on the side of a bus in New York.
'U2 cn sve tm by wrtng lk ths'
Underneath scrawled by finger in the dirt and grime was 'FK NXN'

[silentC]

My missus and I use SMS all the time as it is cheaper than the flag fall for a phone call. We're on a plan where we get so many free a month. It's very handy. Your battery also lasts longer than if you talk on it all the time.

[craigb]

Hmmmm :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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[bitingmidge]

??? 2kewl craigb, 0 ammo or GN 4 U

P

[silentC]

I think I've lost my Babel fish.

[Wongo]

I can understand why people abbrev8 SMS messages, because it is dangerous to send a long message while driving.:D

I myself have never done it before because I still don’t have a mobile phone.

“I am a innocent.” (Originally quoted by Vicky Pollard):D

[Iain]

Sorry, this is the crap I cannot stand, I don't really understand what it is saying, or should I say trying to say.
I know it's just a dig Midge but FM ???

[Wongo]

??? 2kewl craigb, 0 ammo or GN 4 U

P


P, U R A Q T :D

[Iain]

Do I assume that KEWL is COOL, if so, why launch into digit gymnastics when cool requires less effort and is grammatically correct:confused:

[silentC]

Do I assume that KEWL is COOL, if so, why launch into digit gymnastics when cool requires less effort and is grammatically correct:confused:
Coz that's how they pronounce it. Kewl, not cool. More American rubbish :p

[bitingmidge]

Do I assume that KEWL is COOL, if so, why launch into digit gymnastics when cool requires less effort and is grammatically correct:confused:

Iain,

My sentiments exaclty, I just don't get it. In fact I'm rather reassured that no one else appears to either! I don't use it, don't like it, but that doesn't mean I am not aware of the language.

I suspect that your parents would have argued that "cool" was in fact not grammatically correct, that perhaps you shouldn't describe something as "grouse" and that "groovy" was not a description that should be used to describe anything that didn't have lots of grooves in it.

All of those things would have been described as "sick" a year or two ago, but as an aging grumblebum I can't tolerate the use of that word unless it involves at least, a high temperature and a headache.

The term "Newbie" is another that grates hard on my soul. Surely we can spare the two extra letters to greet new chums in a gentlemanly manner!

Cheers,

P (who for many years before SMS has saved typing the extra four letters in his Christian name!)

:D :D :D

[Ivan in Oz]

because it is dangerous to send a long message while driving.:D
(Originally quoted by Vicky Pollard):D
Yep!!

When I was on my Motocycle, at a round-a-bout;
I Got clipped by a 'Driver' who was SMSing

"Sorry, I didn't notice you."

YEAH!!
Saw me but I didn't register.
I was on a Motocycle,
so I don't count anyway..............:mad:

[Grunt]

Do I assume that KEWL is COOL, if so, why launch into digit gymnastics when cool requires less effort and is grammatically correct:confused:

'Coz it takes longer to type OO instead of EW as typing double letters takes more time as there is a delay before you can type the second letter.

Also, you're all getting old. SMS is the new way to communicate, if you are less than 30. Our folks were complaining about our language, long hair and rock music. They were old farts as we are now. :(

I do agree tho, that SMS style writing is not appropriate in these or other internet forums.

[ozwinner]

Our folks were complaining about our language, long hair and rock music. .

:D You never listened to Rock and Roll. :D

Al :p

[Grunt]

Nothing but Perry Como for me.

[Iain]

I must admit I did iritate my Father by calling people Mush (pronounce Moosh), I laugh now but it's probably not much different.
And we came from a farm in the UK, bit of a rarity, and my teachers used to hate it when to get their attention I would start with 'I say', bit of the Terry Thomas:D :D :D

[ozwinner]

Max Bygraves Id beleive!!

Al :p

[Iain]

You've still got that bloody LP haven't you:D :D :D
Might just sneak in and burn it on the 16th:p :p

[ozwinner]

I must admit I did iritate my Father by calling people Mush (pronounce Moosh), I laugh now but it's probably not much different.
And we came from a farm in the UK, bit of a rarity, and my teachers used to hate it when to get their attention I would start with 'I say', bit of the Terry Thomas:D :D :D

Ok mush face. thats enough from you!!!

Al :p

[Driver]

I say! You there! Did you have to mention Max Bygraves? I'll have you know you've ruined my day! That's quite put me orf my cucumber sandwiches! :p

[bitingmidge]

Surely you mean Qcmber?

P
:D :D :D

[ozwinner]

Ahaa, unmasked, the masked one is no moor than a masked masked one.

Al :confused:

[PuppyPaw]

Where the hell is that reddie I was so prommised???

I absolutely hate talking on the phone, be it Mobile or Land line, Its a rude form of communication, it instantly demands your attention no matter what you are doing, then the other person thinks I'm being rude when I tell them I'm busy and I'll call them back later, They tell me they will be busy later.. OOOOOOOH But its &&&&ing alright for you to &&&&ing call me when ever you &&&&ing well want and demanding my attention but not the other &&&&ing way around!!!!

Sorry got a little personal there.
But that helps explain something, I don't like calling and I don't like recieving calls, I will text message you, I will email you, I will communicate your request for communication when I damn well feel like communicating with you and you may communicat with me when you feel like it.

OOh sorry yeah as I was saying, I don't enjoy talking on the phone prefer using text message or email, so I do a lot of text messages and find it takes to long to text someone without shortening the words!

I don't tend to use it on the internet because its actually faster for me to just type what i'm thinking.

One thing I truely detest is american english creeping into australia, like ass, my dentist was using that word, every time she said it I would shudder vilantly, she eventually asked and I couldn't stand it, I just had to tell her hahaha

Oh lord, I think I'm getting old.. but i'm only 23...

[PuppyPaw]

OH OH My bad, I got a reddie hehehe
Al, mate, come on.


Every gets old......
Should that not be

Every one gets old
hehehe
Sorry I can't help my self right now

[E. maculata]

When I was young I too believed what I believed, now I am older I still believe what i believe, would you believe?
Today I met abloke from Ulster, after 2 minutes into our 2 hour conversation, I didn't hear his broad Irish accent, I heard through it, especially when he started talking about his old mates including one "yer Maun".

A greenie to whomever knows whom I'm referring to;) .

[PuppyPaw]

Ulster is on the north-east corner of island of Ireland, so he was Irish
OOOH Do I gets a green lil green friend or was I wrong and my geography really needs some work? Or are you actually want a person?

[E. maculata]

The person would be the focus, young canine:) .

[silentC]

Joey Dunlop ;)


(had to look it up...)

[E. maculata]

WTG Silent, Joey was a Motorcycle Racers Racer, absolutely had potato sized ones, posted his fastest times after he turned 40, then was killed. Woulda loved to have watched him ride up close & personal. His nickname translates to Joey's your Man= Yer Maun
My point about the accent still stands, ince you understand, the communication will flow.;)

[PuppyPaw]

I soo would have absolutely gotten that one had I been someone else!

[craigb]

One thing I truely detest is american english creeping into australia



I soo would have absolutely gotten that one had I been someone else!


Sorry to have to tell you this but there is no such word as gotten. :rolleyes:

[bitingmidge]

Except maybe in the context of, "That was good, gottenotherone??"

P
:D

[Wongo]

Sorry to have to tell you this but there is no such word as gotten. :rolleyes:


Yeah but no but yeah but……

I tried it in Microsoft Word and I did not get an error microsoft thinks it is a word so it must be a word.:D

[Iain]

Sorry to have to tell you this but there is no such word as gotten. :rolleyes:
You are wrong, you just have to be wrong, it is heard on yank sitcoms constantly, therefore it must be right:p
Along with Aloominum, Boot Camp (my pet hate, we always called it Rookies and it was a damned sight tougher than US boot camp) erbs (little green plants to flavour food), take out, I could go on..............

[redwood]

Sorry to have to tell you this but there is no such word as gotten. :rolleyes:

gotten is a past participle of get:) e-mail sms and forum writing is helping breed a new breed of bad english. cant imagin wat it will be like in 10 years. Sister Alphonsis would smash me over the knuckles 10 times both sides if she seen how slack i has become:eek:

[Grunt]

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v. <DL><DD>A past participle of get (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=get).</DD></DL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>See, you blokes have gotten all worried about how bad English as become. English is a living language and therefore a changing language.

I actually think that the Internet and forums like this help with people's writing skills. I bet there are plenty out there who only write in emails and on forums such as this.

[redwood]

I actually think that the Internet and forums like this help with people's writing skills. I bet there are plenty out there who only write in emails and on forums such as this.

its helping with their creative writing skills but the standard of grammar is declining.

[Wongo]

I gotten apples and I ate one. How manys left?:D

[redwood]

I gotten apples and I ate one. How manys left?:D

2 no how many apples ar left, how manys had you gotten in the first place before you eaten the first won! :confused:

[Wongo]

2 no how many apples ar left, how manys had you gotten in the first place before you eaten the first won! :confused:

10

[redwood]

10
U have ate and 2 halvs left

[Iain]

So mate is m8 but 8 is not eight, even ate slows things down

o f n l, e n. (fonetic, because ph would be too (2) hard)

ICDC
UCDC?
I CDC2

NME not a friend
NMR some enjoy this
NMNE a flower
LN girls name
R4 boys name

[Wongo]

U have ate and 2 halvs left

Nein

[craigb]

From the Compact Oxford English Dictionary:




gotten
N. Amer. past participle of GET.

— USAGE The form gotten is not used in British English but is very common in North American English, though even there it is often regarded as non-standard.

My original post was a reference to puppyboy's professed dislike of American English.

So there. :p :D

[craigb]

Along with Aloominum, Boot Camp (my pet hate, we always called it Rookies and it was a damned sight tougher than US boot camp) erbs (little green plants to flavour food), take out, I could go on..............

solder pronounced sodder ......

[DanP]

Really, who gives a f#ck. Beware the return of the spelling/grammar nazis.

[Grunt]

From the Compact Oxford English Dictionary:



My original post was a reference to puppyboy's professed dislike of American English.

So there. :p :D

Gotten is in the Macquarie dictionary as proper word, not a a colloquialism. In my book the Macquarie is the definitive reference for Australian English.

[craigb]

I don't care, they are wrong. :p

What does gotten provide that got doesn't ?

I would have expected better than that from the Macquarie frankly.

Does it have dove as the past tense of dive too? :rolleyes:

[silentC]

Actually, I think you will find that the Macquarie's charter is to provide a description of modern Australian word usage, not to be the arbiter of what is right and wrong.

This is the problem we face because like it or not, over time a common error becomes entrenched in the language and thus it changes. For example, contractions like "don't" are perfectly acceptable today but I bet there was some knuckle rapping that went on when it first started to become popular.

[Grunt]

Actually, I think you will find that the Macquarie's charter is to provide a description of modern Australian word usage, not to be the arbiter of what is right and wrong.


Youse is in the 4th edition as a colloquialism. It's in common use and thus becomes part of the Australian vernacular. It would not be an acceptable word in formal writing. Gotten however is.

How about 'ill gotten gains'? Hard to justify saying 'ill got gains'.

[craigb]

How about 'ill gotten gains'? Hard to justify saying 'ill got gains'.

Why?

[E. maculata]

Has Grunt gotten his point across yet?
Fer once I'm with the hound, evolve you buggas or be extinct:cool: .

[Grunt]

Why?

For a start 'ill got' isn't in the Oxford dictionary but ill gotten is.

'ill got gains' sounds like a Cockney would say it. Thos', ill got gains, eh Gov?

[craigb]

Has Grunt gotten his point across yet?
Fer once I'm with the hound, evolve you buggas or be extinct:cool: .

Nope. You won't convince me that the past tense of get is gotten.

It's not eveloution it's illiteracy. :p

[Grunt]

T-rex = Dinosaur

[bitingmidge]

What does gotten provide that got doesn't ?

You would of gotten a greenie for that if I could of given it to you.

As for Dan asking what does it matter?? One of the reasons we have policemen is to reinforce boundaries of behaviour that society deems acceptable.

By nature we need boundaries to either push or live within.

If we had no rules or conventions with language, we would all be speaking differently, and would not be able to communicate at all.

One of the marvels of language is that it is always evolving. I have no issues with those who are ignorant of the rules our who just don't get them (those with poor spelling for instance) getting the occasional word wrong, but to turn an adverb into an adjective by adding the suffix "izational" or to create a whole new term "negative growth" when there is already a perfectly good suite of words that serve the purpose is an affront to anyone who thinks seriously about the language.

Surely we are not making it simpler by creating new words?

For the record, "gotten" is indeed the past participle of "get" from Middle English, yet even in North American usage they have different meanings. Gotten usually emplies the process of obtaining something "ill-gotten gains" while got implies a state of possession or ownership.

Cheers,

P (who is fascinated by this stuff and must read more!)
:D :D :D

[craigb]

For a start 'ill got' isn't in the Oxford dictionary but ill gotten is.

'ill got gains' sounds like a Cockney would say it. Thos', ill got gains, eh Gov?

I'll accept that the only time that gotten is correct is in the phrase ill gotten.

That doesn't mean and never will that the past tense of get is gotten.
It may be in common use in America but we don't speak American English here. Which was how this started in the first place.

I still would think that gains could be "ill got". Shakespear probably used it.

[silentC]

I still would think that gains could be "ill got".
Do a Google. People do use it.

get got give gave giving given

It all sounds like nonsense after awhile if you say it over and over.

My 6yo daughter has developed a habit of saying 'caughten' instead of caught. Makes sense to her :rolleyes: She'd probably say 'gotten' too but then she doesn't know any better.

[Wongo]

May I introduce you our new English language consultant.:D

Sorry little Britain is a big thing in the house at the moment.

[Grunt]

Jive,
De English language be a livin' language

Sweedish English
Zee Ingleesh lungooege-a is a leefing lungooege-a

This whole discussion has gotten out of hand.

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[Wongo]

Jive,
De English language be a livin' language

Sweedish English
Zee Ingleesh lungooege-a is a leefing lungooege-a

This whole discussion has gotten out of hand.

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Nah, we are heading to the right direction.:cool:

[Termite]

In some parts of the US they use a word (sounds like) "storeborten", bought from a shop as opposed to home made.

[Iain]

Some Simple Rules to Affect Forsooth Speech.
Perceive the World through the Eyes of Your Persona.
Describe the World in Terms Suitable for Your Persona
Never use contractions where you normally would.
Always use contractions where you normally would not.
Never use 3 syllables where 5 will fit.
Use alliteration and other poetic devices.
Think first, talk later.

[Auld Bassoon]

but to turn an adverb into an adjective by adding the suffix "izational" or to create a whole new term "negative growth" when there is already a perfectly good suite of words that serve the purpose is an affront to anyone who thinks seriously about the language.



In a similar vein, I've stopped having apoplexy when hearing people use a noun as a verb - e.g. "let's whiteboard this", and just content myself with some dark muttering;)

[Auld Bassoon]

When in South Africa, a common expression was "Ya well, no fine". It tooks me ages to realise that it just meant "oh well..."

[Iain]

Does negative growth equate to positive decline or vice cersa:confused:

[echnidna]

Does negative growth equate to positive decline or vice cersa:confused:

Ya gotten me Iain, who knows!!!

[Grunt]

How about a growing decline or declining growth.

[silentC]

Negative growth = decline. I used to think it meant that the rate of growth, whilst still positive, was declining - that would make at least a little bit of sense. However it actually means a decline in numbers of whatever - usually population.

I think it was invented by managers to cover up the truth. For example, instead of creating panic by saying "we've made a loss this year" they say "we are experiencing a period of negative growth".

[E. maculata]

My hairline has been experiencing negative growth for a few years;) , its gotten so bad my dome is now chrome.:p