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Tonyz
16th May 2022, 10:50 PM
Post Covid we have huge shortages of employees
we have huge shortages of housing

Why?
I will be honest I dont remember these before Covid, grated employment in hospitality and farming I partly understand due to working visas etc but where did the rest come from
Teachers
Nursing
Mechanics

I live in a protected corner of South Oz and we are relatively free of Covid. Is it really still rampant throughout Aust? and winter still coming, batten down the hatches boys the war aint over yet.

I dont know what to say, but we seem to be in a right pickle that is greater than Covid damage.

BEM
16th May 2022, 11:39 PM
I'm sure in part it comes from the thousands of people who exercised their right to refuse vaccination. I work in a hospital and I know quite a few people disappeared overnight when the mandate came into effect.

There will no doubt be a percentage who went onto government benefits with the lockdown and decided they liked it.

BobL
17th May 2022, 10:22 AM
Post Covid we have huge shortages of employees
we have huge shortages of housing

Why?
Teachers
Nursing
Mechanics


I know some teachers, nurses carers and disability worker have left for a whole bunch of reasons.
- didn't want to get vaxed
- even the ones that did get waxed didn't want want to work in rooms full of people with covid
- just finally sick and tired of being treated like dirt and being poorly paid.

Its not just hospitality and farming - nursing, caring and disability services also make extensive use of OS people.
At a large aged care facility I volunteered at back in 2013, of the dozens of administrators/carers/nurses/cleaners/kitchen/grounds staff in the area I was in there were very few Aussies. The nurses and OTs were mainly Irish, the orderlies were mainly Africans, kitchen staff included Asians, ground staff included a couple of Pacific Islanders etc.

On top of that there are a sizeable fraction of staff either with covid, others they might no longer have covid but still feel like crap so cant work.
And younger people starting out in working life can see all this and are staying away from these professions in droves.

My brother is an administrator in a medium size private hospital with ~400 staff and when I saw him a couple of weekends back he told me that in the last two years
- about 10 staff did not want to be vaxed and so left before they were asked to leave
- about 30 either retired or took early retirement.
To compensate for this they have only managed to attract 16 new staff in that time.
Currently ~40 staff either have covid or are recovering from covid and they won't get all these people back.
This puts a serious dent in their staffing and is why they've cut right back on their elective surgery.

There was news story on the ABC where they were interviewing a young bloke who had been working in a retirement village and he left because he could get more money making coffee at local cafe.

In WA mechanics are increasingly are getting snapped up by the mining industry and there are not enough apprentices in the loop to male up for the demand.

Fekit
17th May 2022, 11:14 AM
the war aint over yet

No it certainly isn't. Unfortunately it looks like the war on actual science, actual medicine and actual reality is here to stay and that, sadly, war is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.

From what I've been hearing, from actual restaurant owners, it's people not wanting to be guinea pigs. And that's understandable as all available data clearly demonstrates that the injections don't work and are generating negative efficacy. Why risk debilitating side effects or unknown long term effects for zero efficacy, actually it's 0.85% as per Pfizer data.

Walgreens COVID-19 Index (https://www.walgreens.com/businesssolutions/covid-19-index.jsp)

As to the housing shortages?, I don't know, I guess you'd have to take a closer look at who is buying and whether or not a lot of properties are being purchased by corporations and turned into rentals, it's been a trend in the US for sometime now.

How Wall Street Bought Up America'''s Homes - The Atlantic (https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2019/02/single-family-landlords-wall-street/582394/)

ian
17th May 2022, 04:52 PM
I know some teachers, nurses carers and disability worker have left for a whole bunch of reasons.
- didn't want to get vaxed
- even the ones that did get waxed didn't want want to work in rooms full of people with covid
- just finally sick and tired of being treated like dirt and being poorly paid.

Its not just hospitality and farming - nursing, caring and disability services also make extensive use of OS people.
At a large aged care facility I volunteered at back in 2013, of the dozens of administrators/carers/nurses/cleaners/kitchen/grounds staff in the area I was in there were very few Aussies. The nurses and OTs were mainly Irish, the orderlies were mainly Africans, kitchen staff included Asians, ground staff included a couple of Pacific Islanders etc.
And when Covid arrived in March 2020, most of these "temporary foreign workers" were told to bugger off to where they came from.
I believe that upwards of 1.0 million temporary foreign workers left Australia during the period Australian State borders were closed. Perhaps it was as many as 1.5 million working age people.

Little wonder that now most restrictions have been lifted, there is no one to do the work that was previously done by short term immigrants.

pippin88
17th May 2022, 07:40 PM
I'm sure in part it comes from the thousands of people who exercised their right to refuse vaccination. I work in a hospital and I know quite a few people disappeared overnight when the mandate came into effect.

About 0.5% of NSW Health resigned or were stood down for refusal to be vaccinated. Hardly enough to be responsible for any shortage.