Fair Go For .

[Termite]

OK, I like a bit of fun as much as the next bloke, and I'm sure that I've broken the rules on more than one occasion. But in the interest of a fair go for a decent bloke I'm going to, a bit further down the page, suggest some reforms, not as rules but as self controll.
We have a unique and wonderful forum here, with moderators that bend over backward not to stifle a robust and friendly atmosphere. The prime hard worker that should be obvious to all is , who works hard all day and then has to sort through all our verbal garbage and try and give it some sort of reasonable flavour, instead of being able to enjoy the forum as we do.

So in the interest of the title of this thread "Fair Go For " i would like to suggest the following.

Stop the generalised "Seppo Bashing", I think you will agree that it's been done to death several times.. If a specific idiot posts the usual stupidity then he becomes fair game and get stuck into him not his whole race.

Stop baiting with the usual vatiations on swear words. If you must swear, and at times certain words do give that explicit point to a description, then see my suggestions below.

The following suggestions are not meant to encourage an excuse to swear, they are meant only to get the message across in a way that is as inoffensive as possible if it becomes necessary to use a word that may be offensive to younger minds or people in general.

If you print out the following for reference, then I feel sure it will not take you long to become familiar with them. The one character will substitute for all forms of the word, the context will determine whether it ends in ...ed, or ....ing, or ....er, etc. etc.

SWEARWORD SUBSTITUTIONS - STANDARD FORUM FORMAT

= __ f... _________ eg. =wit or get=
- __ prick ________ eg. you - of a thing
w- __ wanker ______ eg. nothing but a w-
& __ ar.. _________ eg. go and sit on your & for a while
@ __ a...hole _____ eg. you are an @
* __ s..t _________ eg. you're full of *
B*__ bulls..t _______ eg. thats B*
c*__ crap _________ eg. that's a piece of c*
% __ balls _________ eg no % at all
# __ bastard ______ eg. you #

I had to put the lines in because the - of a system kept pinching my spaces. What a #. :D

I'm sure there are many more that I haven't thought of and if approves this system then run your suggestions by him, possably by PM, and they can be added to the list.

Remember, this is not intended to encourage or condone the use of swearing and I would expect the axe to be applied where necessary.

[craigb]

I was tempted say get =ed but I decided not to. :p :D

Seriously though Termite, I don't think it will fly.

Sure the habitues might play by the rules but how much time are we going to spend explaining it to newcomers?

I suppose we could have it on a page that we point the person to when the question arises but really I can't see it working in the long run.

I agree with the thrust of your post though. However maybe the solution is just for us to self police a little bit more.

My .05 cents.

[arose62]

:eek:

I don't know what that would do to me at work, where I regularly type those characters.

Every time I assign a value, it's going to be f...ed

Every subtraction is a pr.ck

@ is going to change the way I think of email addresses and remote databases!

# Well, lots of programmers regard comments as b*stards ;)

On a semi-serious note, would this add another 'layer' for newbies to be aware of, then learn, before participating freely here?

Why not get the BB software to format words on a filter-list as white-text-on-white-background, so you aren't inadvertenly offended by them, but can choose to see them by dragging over, or cut-n-pasting?

Cheers,
Andrew
P.S. Obviously, a) your arm isn't better yet, and b) you haven't got a lathe;)

[Termite]

I was tempted say get =ed but I decided not to. :p :D

Seriously though Termite, I don't think it will fly.

Sure the habitues might play by the rules but how much time are we going to spend explaining it to newcomers?

I suppose we could have it on a page that we point the person to when the question arises but really I can't see it working in the long run.

I agree with the thrust of your post though. However maybe the solution is just for us to self police a little bit more.

My .05 cents.

You don't put the ...ed on the end, the context of the sentence does that for you, and the ed makes it too easy for the uninitiated to read it and so spoils the whole excercise.

You may well be right is saying it won't work, but at least it might make a few stop and have a think. What we have been given here is too valuable to lose by our own stupid actions. After some serious thought that is what I think.

[arose62]

I should have said that I also support what you're trying to do, preserving this forum.

Does really have to read every post, and manually edit the nasty words?

If so, I'd suggest asking for a new feature from the software supplier, or until then, maybe Termite can volunteer to share the load?

I'm not being facetious - an environment like this thrives because enough people care enough to do enough to make it work. Are there enough folk shouldering the adminstrative burden? Do they need apprentices?

Cheers,
Andrew

[Termite]

:eek:

I don't know what that would do to me at work, where I regularly type those characters.

Every time I assign a value, it's going to be f...ed

Every subtraction is a pr.ck

@ is going to change the way I think of email addresses and remote databases!

# Well, lots of programmers regard comments as b*stards ;)

On a semi-serious note, would this add another 'layer' for newbies to be aware of, then learn, before participating freely here?

Why not get the BB software to format words on a filter-list as white-text-on-white-background, so you aren't inadvertenly offended by them, but can choose to see them by dragging over, or cut-n-pasting?

Cheers,
Andrew
P.S. Obviously, a) your arm isn't better yet, and b) you haven't got a lathe;)

Yes i did have a bit of a laugh at the interpretation that could be put on some otherwise innofensive correspondence. :D

And regarding your last comment, correct on both counts. :(

[Gumby]

Guys Guys Guys, we don't need abreviations ! Just cut it out completely. It serves no purpose to swear and is even more stupid in it's abreviated forms which don't really hide the meaning.

. If you can't get a point across without it, then you have a problem.

Save the time, lets get back to woodwork shall we ? Huh ?

There's still room to have some fun along the way.

[Wood Borer]

You are right there Brother Termite - does a very good job.

He is not a prude by any means and enjoys telling and listening to good jokes along with the best of us.

The hat he wears is a difficult one as a moderator.

We all jump on our bandwagon from time to time and perhaps write things that are a bit over the top as if we were saying it down the pub in front of a handful of mates.

On the Bulletin Board, our words are for all to see and stay there for a long time so Termite's comments are OK.

[bitingmidge]

Termite,

In principle; fine idea, but with the same or even less creativity, surely another means of expressing oneself could be found which doesn't require any secret code?

I'm thinking about expressions like " well I'll be darned" if necessary.

I'm with you all the way in terms of "Moderator-in-particular- Baiting".

A call to in jest was once a humourous interlude.

ONCE.

I just don't get the need to constantly push the well-defined envelope.

I'm no angel, and have given the mods a bit of work from time to time, no doubt I will in the future, but generally I do try not to test them for the sake of it.

If testing moderators is your sport, why not rack off to a Seppo forum, and kill two birds with one stone??

Cheers,

P

[silentC]

Fine idea, Termite, but as I never swear it's of little use to me ;)

[Bodgy]

At the risk of getting dumped on, I'd like to re-iterate what I've said before.

In this regard, we are out of step with the majority of contemporary Australia. These words are commonplace, and don't even cause a raised eyebrow from anyone under 40.

Like it or not standards have changed.

By all means delete the brain dead, gratuitous outpourings of obscenity from the ill educated and in-articulate, but deleting common words, or worse still having to put *** or whatever - come on! (thanks Leyton)

[Gumby]

These words are commonplace, and don't even cause a raised eyebrow from anyone under 40. )

and who said that was a move forward?

I hear mothjers screaming abuse in the street at 2 year olds, using the most foul language you could imagine. I shudder to think what types they will bring into society as adults. Commonplace doesn't make it right or acceptable. I'm no prude but there is a time and place for everything. If this forum went that way, just like many others have done (try the bigpond newsgroups for instance) then I'd be off. I'm sure I'd have a few followers as well.

That would leave the inane, purile and abusive. It would close down at that point because Neil and would be wasting their time and money.

[silentC]

Anti-terrorist bill be damned. We've still got freedom of speech. So, I'm going to … them at the … with a big … , and they will all … in a … of smoke. What, me scared? You bet.

Thought this was appropriate. ;)

We have to keep in mind that, unlike Australia, these forums are not a democracy. They are run by a beneficial dictatorship and I'm quite happy with that.

[Termite]

I often wonder if a lot of the members are aware of just how good they've got it with this forum, run by a good bloke and moderated by a very tolerant bloke, with very very discreet ads.
If you would like to see a forum, run on the same base format as this one, then try http://www.overclockers.com.au/ . this is a computer forum funded totally by advertisers and I'll bet it takes you at least 5 minutes to even find the forum, and if it is ignorant idiots that you are looking for then you'll find plenty there. They don't do much moderating so as not to upset the advertisers.

[echnidna]

Basically has a huge workload being our school marm after a busy day earning his living

He is entitled to have fun on this forum too.

If he cracks it coz it is too much work cleaning up after twits who won't abide the rules, what will happen to the forum?

Maybe the forum could close if the moderators job gets too hard

[Bodgy]

Not knocking the Forum, not knocking the members, not knocking the moderators, not knocking the proprietors. Simply voicing a dissenting opinion regarding what I see as un-necessary censorship of commonplace and descriptive expletives, in moderation.

Thats all.

[Wongo]

is a fair bloke and I am on his side.:)

[Driver]

This is one of the best sites on the Net. Darren (SilentC) got it right - it's not a democracy - it's a benevolent dictatorship. That's fine by me. If I step out of line occasionally and feel the weight of the moderator's axe, I'm quite prepared to wear it if it helps keep these forums alive.

Bodgy - you're perfectly entitled to express a dissenting opinion. Just don't get too precious about what you see as censorship.

does a great job and has my full support.

Col

[craigb]

What we have been given here is too valuable to lose by our own stupid actions. After some serious thought that is what I think.

I'm not arguing with you mate. :)

[Bodgy]

Precious? Moi?

[Termite]

These words are commonplace, and don't even cause a raised eyebrow from anyone under 40.

Like it or not standards have changed.

Point 1. I am over 40, and these words are not commonplace with me amongst children or women or strangers.

Point 2. Not my standards.

[Razor]

I agree with Gumby, Bitingmidge and others. There is no doubt that a lot of words I have used as an apprentice in the metal industry are now becoming common place (although not all of them). And so be it – things change. The point I wish to make is that we have to be aware of the feelings of others. It is difficult for me to understand that some people want to offend in this way.
With regard the comment made on a grandchild wearing certain words on the T shirt, if that’s where their at that’s fine, and they can obviously wear it in front on their parents and grandparents. I wouldn’t know if my grandchildren wore this sort of shirt and this is my point – I wouldn’t know because they would not wear it in front of me – consideration for others is what it is about, not the word or words themselves.

[Sturdee]

Most of what I would say has already been said before in that other thread and doesn't need repeating again.

But to make it perfectly clear, I , and many others, object to swearing. I don't do it and I wouldn't tolerate anyone swearing in my house. Neither do I appreciate reading it on these forums. And I also think that any attempt to substitute symbols or other specific characters for it isn't any better. To me it is still swearing , either actual or implied.

Generally I don't make an issue over it but in that other thread it was claimed that nobody objected to swearing and therefore I posted my views. Now I don't think I'm too thin skinned or unreasonable in this matter.

There are long standing rules that apply to this board. Everyone should know what they are. They are posted in the FAQ and above each forum. If members don't know them they should not be members.

To help those people that can't live without swearing the Administrators gave them the O room where they can go for their lives. Whilst I disagreed with it the majority wanted it. So be it. But why can't the swearers keep their profanities in the place now provided for them rather than in the general forums where it annoys lots of people.:confused:

No wonder gets upset. And Bob is right when he pointed out that the forum could close if the moderators job gets too hard.

So instead of trying to extend the boundaries everytime read the rules and stick to them.


Peter.

[46150]

.......'ang on a mo...Maybe gets his rocks off trying to sort out all the crud, leave him alone and let the lad ENJOY ???

[savage]

Being fairly new to this forum, I think that and the others that make this place function, are the equivilant to the Police service, in that they are friendly and tolerant of all who visit and take part in this forum. The rules of this forum are the common laws, as in any community you break them you pay the penalty, the only difference is if we continually abuse the system in society they come down hard, very hard, here they just might walk away!....Is that what we want?...No!...First thing I did was to read the rules, as I very quickly found this forum and it's members to be generous, witty and experienced in most things wood, but most of all was the mateship and the ability to welcome new members without question!......I wish I could live here!...sounds like paradise to me!:)
savage(Eric):)

[TEEJAY]

.......'ang on a mo...Maybe gets his rocks off trying to sort out all the crud, leave him alone and let the lad ENJOY ???

Bazaar interpretation - if it were a boat we would call it a rock - I think it would float as such.

Constantly amazed that there is a persistant desire to swear - I can upset most people really well without one swear word or racist generalisation. :D

Love the forum and admire and respect the rules.

Cheers

[Gumby]

.......'ang on a mo...Maybe gets his rocks off trying to sort out all the crud, leave him alone and let the lad ENJOY ???

hear the sound of a reddie hitting the target ?

[Termite]

hear the sound of a reddie hitting the target ?

Yours or mine?;)

[ozwinner]

Dudes ya cant give reddies out to 46150 for a joke? :eek:
Im sure he was joking.:p
I rarely give reddies out, unless Im really provoked. :mad:

Al :)

[Gumby]

I don't think so Al. If so, it wasn't a good one. I don't give them out much either.

I seriously doubt he is 60 either. It just doesn't add up. The tone of the posts, the abreviations, an ICQ number. Nah, he's much younger than that.

[46150]

Thanks ozwinner,at least someones got a sense of humour.........hope it becomes contagious(sp).................maybe i'm dreaming?

[Gumby]

Thanks ozwinner,at least someones got a sense of humour........

You don't. obviously. :rolleyes:

[Robert WA]

I don't think so Al. If so, it wasn't a good one. I don't give them out much either.

I seriously doubt he is 60 either. It just doesn't add up. The tone of the posts, the abreviations, an ICQ number. Nah, he's much younger than that.

Hey Gumby.
I am older than 60 and have an ICQ number. What's more, it is a 7 digit number. I think they are up to 9 digits these days.
I would like to be younger. What else do I have to do?
Rob.

[Gumby]

Hey Gumby.
I am older than 60 and have an ICQ number. What's more, it is a 7 digit number. I think they are up to 9 digits these days.
I would like to be younger. What else do I have to do?
Rob.

Buy a red car. Convertable preferably, and go and hang out around the old peoples homes looking cool. :D :D (and play some Frank Sinatra records - never fails ;) )

[Termite]

Ah well, totaly hijacked, can't complain I've done it myself.
I can at least have the satisfaction that I tried and quite a few others seemed to think this forum was worth preserving too. Thanks folks.

[ozwinner]

Thanks folks.

Dont ya mean, yibadah yibadah thats all folks. (as in Porky, not Rex)

Al :p

[Termite]

Dont ya mean, yibadah yibadah thats all folks. (as in Porky, not Rex) Al :p

I tried that Al and my false teeth flew out.:D

[E. maculata]

does a sterling job and when I eventually meet in in person I will tell him so, sometimes when we err into crass behaviour he rectifies without predujice or malice. Don't understand 41650s' reddies though fellas?:eek: did however get the humour:o , is there something else going on here or what?

[ozwinner]

What a hoot......
You dheads gave 46150 red.
He had one red square showing on his rep bar.
I gave him a greenie, now he has 3 green squares on his rep bar.

Whos da man, well apart from , owhh and Shane

Al :D :p :p :p :p :p :cool:

[Gumby]

What a hoot......
You dheads gave 46150 red.
He had one red square showing on his rep bar.
I gave him a greenie, now he has 3 green squares on his rep bar.

Whos da man, well apart from , owhh and Shane

Al :D :p :p :p :p :p :cool:

yeah, and ...? ;)

[craigb]

does a sterling job and when I eventually meet in in person I will tell him so,

Meeting is a pretty scary experience Bruce.
Definitely not for the faint hearted (not that I'm saying you are btw) :eek:

(Actually he's one of nature's gentlemen)

[bitingmidge]

now he has 3 green squares on his rep bar.


Look again maaaannnnnn...... (he says blowing the smoke away from the barrel of his smoking greenie gun!)

Three more!

:D :D :D

P

[ozwinner]

Hey midge, we could go around smiteing ppl with the green gun.:rolleyes:
( insert music to Dirty Dozen here.........)

Al :p

[craigb]

This is a C&P of a post that I made in another thread. On reflection, I think I should have posted it here. Already a certain rubberlike :p member has teased me about it. :D

I know that you'll shoot it down in flames if that's what it deserves.


Well I reckon it all ties in with what we have mostly been talking about today.
That is, give a break.

To me, that means that us "old time" members of the board should perhaps try and adopt 's even handedness and try and steer "miscreants" along the "one true path".

If this is perceived as being an "old fart mafia" by some newcomers, well I'm sure that's not the intent, but I reckon that it IS up to us old stagers (who reckon we know what the board means) to be a bit more proactive.

Again, my 0.05 cents.

Craig

[bitingmidge]

Gee Craig, I've already given you a dollar for it!

The smokin' green gun's run out of Ammo, but that's a really sneaky way of getting rep points twice for the same post.

I'll try to remember that one!
cheers,

P
:D :D :D

[Gumby]

Hey midge, we could go around smiteing ppl with the green gun.:rolleyes:
( insert music to Dirty Dozen here.........)

Al :p

You shouldn't go around erasing reddies. I'm calling Zed. he's got a red cannon. :D Me and the Zed man, Zorro and what's his name, together, fighting goodies everywhere. :D

[bitingmidge]

Gumby,

Zed is now a respected journalist with a reputation of his own to uphold, and like all in that honoured profession, would only ever issue reputation points for the positive betterment of mankind, not treat that act as some flippant and foolhardy game played in a schoolyard.

Good for you Zed!!

Cheers,

P
:D :D :D

[craigb]

Gee Craig, I've already given you a dollar for it!

The smokin' green gun's run out of Ammo, but that's a really sneaky way of getting rep points twice for the same post.

I'll try to remember that one!
cheers,

P
:D :D :D

Thanks mate. (for the comments and the green)

Craig

(who's not fishing really :p )

[bitingmidge]

Zed is now a respected journalist with a reputation of his own to uphold, and like all in that honoured profession, would only ever issue reputation points for the positive betterment of mankind, not treat that act as some flippant and foolhardy game played in a schoolyard.

Good for you Zed!!


There again, he might still be a prick!

Yep, he's only been a journo for a day, and he's already like the rest of them low life lying red raspberry throwing scumbags!!

P (But HE's the one with the pooey nappies to change in the middle of the night!! hehehe!)
:D :D :D

[Driver]

P (But HE's the one with the pooey nappies to change in the middle of the night!! hehehe!)
:D :D :D

Now that he's a journalist, don't you think it's about time he was toilet-trained?

I mean, c'mon! How can he present an effective image of a foot-in-the-door, hat-on-the-back-of-the-head, Spencer Tracy type if he's walking round with his strides full of damp and smelly terry towelling? Not a good look, my view. Not a good look at all. One is almost tempted to add: Tsk, tsk. (Or even: harrumph!)

[bitingmidge]

Maybe he wears Kimbies?

P

[craigb]

I like the way you quote your self Midge. :)

Such hutzpa is rarely seen nowadays. :p

Long may it endure sez I

[boban]

I like the way you quote your self Midge. :)

Such hutzpa is rarely seen nowadays. :p

Long may it endure sez I

He'd write one hell of an essay with that approach. A phenomenal lawyer even. Love it

I cant give anyone I want a greenie but have one in spirit.