Daylight Saving...?

[John1410]

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[rwbuild]

Bet he doesn't like loosing an hours drinking time at the end of the day....

[KBs PensNmore]

I came home at 7.00pm tonight, and was told "You're late!!" My reply "No I'm not" then realised I'd set my clock back, not forward:doh:.
Kryn

[rwbuild]

Move to WA

[Nanigai]

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[rrich]

Daylight Saving Time is good in some places and bad in others. However you will never get agreement among the populace.

The state of Arizona is virtually all desert and rather hot in the summer and the time zone name is Mountain. The state of Arizona does not go onto Daylight Saving Time. Well, that's not exactly true. Any federal entity does go onto Daylight Saving Time. I don't remember about the post offices. All the national parks and national monuments do use Daylight Saving Time.

The state of California is adjacent to Arizona and in the Pacific time zone. The Pacific Time Zone is one hour earlier than Mountain. I lived in Phoenix the one year we did the clock silliness for Daylight Saving Time. (Probably 1967 or 1968) For Arizona it was a very bad decision. You couldn't go out into the cooler evening. Arizona should go onto Daylight Regression Time and turn the clocks back an hour for the summer.

Recently I have been in Arizona during the time change of turning clocks forward which Arizona doesn't do. When talking with the year round residents, I will say that it is great that Arizona is finally using to Daylight Saving Time. I'll get arguments or be told that I'm wrong. Then I'll say that every year Arizona goes from Mountain Standard Time to Pacific Daylight Time. The response that I get is either quiet pondering followed by laughter or being called a effing idiot. Either is entertaining.

[rwbuild]

How long before the tin hat greens start saying that daylight saving is contributing to global warming .....:rolleyes:

[Dareen]

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[damian]

I hate it. I thought it stupid when I lived in sydney but I'd really really hate it in brisbane. It just means you need air conditioning even more through summer...

[Handyjack]

How long before the tin hat greens start saying that daylight saving is contributing to global warming .....:rolleyes:

No, it does not contribute to global warming, it causes the curtains to fade though. :?

[Blocklayer]

If we have 1 hour daylight savings every day, shouldn't we get an extra day (long weekend holiday) every 24 days?

[crowie]

Personally, I don't like it!
I used to leave home at 5am for a start at 6am getting home about 5pm and then do a couple of hours around the house or with the children....
I was a grumpy tired person in those days.

There was a university on the radio on Saturday morning saying that the original economic arguments for it were now very flawed.
In fact the disadvantages out way the advantages; more folk are burning the candle at both ends thus work performance suffers; plus he said we are using more energy with daylight saving not less....

So for my money Queensland, West Australia and Northern Territory have got it right NO DAYLIGHT SAVING BS!!!

[Blocklayer]

They tried it here in QLD in 1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensland_daylight_saving_referendum,_1992
We used to get to work (laying blocks) and wait for daylight to start work.
Going through town on the way to work in the morning was like late night shopping. Totally dark and all the lights on (waste of electricity)
Ever tried getting kids home from school in the hottest part of a wet season afternoon, giving them dinner and putting them to bed before dark in the middle of summer north of Cairns?

[AlexS]

Whatever the economic or social arguments for or against daylight saving, there is one incontrovertible fact. The closer you are to the equator, the less effect it will have, and the further away you are, the more it will have, simply because the closer you are to the poles, the greater the difference in day length from summer to winter.
Queensland is probably quite right not to adopt it. For Tasmania, it may well be a great benefit.

[ian]

Daylight "saving" really only makes sense in latitudes more than about 35 degrees from the equator. Where I am now (51 degrees north) the sun rises at about 8 AM and sets at about 7 PM (day light time) -- but it is coming into winter. Go back to mid-July (equivalent to January in Aus) and sunrise was around 5:30 and it didn't start to get dark till 10:30 at night.

So really day light "saving" is pretty much a con outside Tasmania and Melbourne

[Fuzzie]

Queensland is probably quite right not to adopt it. For Tasmania, it may well be a great benefit.

I think we are so far east in the time zone here in south east Queensland it would make sense to be in a different time zone all year. Civil Twilight sunrise is at 4:30am in summer, sunset twilight finishes at 7:15pm. Even in mid winter civil twilight starts at 6am and sunset twilight finishes at 5:30pm. A half hour shift would work for me all year, not just in summer. However people here adapt, there are A LOT of people at the beach before work at 5am in summer and still a fair few in winter.

[pkroeze]

So really day light "saving" is pretty much a con outside Tasmania and Melbourne

Yes as a Tasmanian daylight saving only has pros

[ian]

I think we are so far east in the time zone here in south east Queensland it would make sense to be in a different time zone all year. Civil Twilight sunrise is at 4:30am in summer, sunset twilight finishes at 7:15pm. Even in mid winter civil twilight starts at 6am and sunset twilight finishes at 5:30pm.
sounds as though your existing time zone is just about "perfect"
in Summer civil twilight starts about 7-1/2 hours before midday and ends about the same length of time (7-1/4 hours) after mid-day.
winter is similarly balanced.


Here's something radical -- SE Queensland could have daylight "saving" in winter
civil twilight would then commence at around 7 AM and end at about 6:30 PM :U

[Fuzzie]

Depends on your philosophy of perfectly balanced. The commercial world likes to tip the scale toward extending the trading day after lunch. Normal 9-5 is 3 before 5 after, extended trading would be more like 6 before 9 or 10 after.

[rrich]

We are getting ready to go off DST in 3 weeks or so. Then SWMBO will have me put up the good drapes and curtains. Now that we will have one less hour of daylight the good drapes and curtains won't fade as much.

Yeah I know. That makes as much as changing the signs on the clock from PDT to MST.

[rustynail]

I don't know about it fading curtains, but I can state with certainty that prior to the introduction of daylight saving I had dark hair. Now it's grey!

[Uncle Al]

The extra hour of daylight is great for those with solar panels.

Alan...

[Simplicity]

The extra hour of daylight is great for those with solar panels.

Alan...

Sorry Alan,
But how can that be better for the solar panels?They still see the same amount of sunlight irrespective of how we pretend to manipulate the clock.

Cheers Matt

[Uncle Al]

Sorry Alan,
But how can that be better for the solar panels?They still see the same amount of sunlight irrespective of how we pretend to manipulate the clock.

Cheers Matt


The extra hour of daylight in the afternoon, plus the GST on SUNday.

(GST = Greater Sunlight Time).

Alan...

[Simplicity]

The extra hour of daylight in the afternoon, plus the GST on SUNday.

(GST = Greater Sunlight Time).

Alan...

Alan
With the greatest respect I still don’t understand [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849].
They are (the solar panels) still getting the same amount of sunlight,
The sun does not rise later or early it’s just we have moved the clock hands a little bit.

Cheers Matt

[A Duke]

The extra hour of daylight is great for those with solar panels.

Alan...


:roflmao:

[Uncle Al]

Alan
With the greatest respect I still don’t understand [emoji849][emoji849][emoji849].
They are (the solar panels) still getting the same amount of sunlight,
The sun does not rise later or early it’s just we have moved the clock hands a little bit.

Cheers Matt

The solar panels get the extra sunlight the same as the curtains, the difference being that it is detrimental to the curtains but advantageous to the solar panels.
I've heard that banana growers aren't keen on daylight saving either, as they believe that the extra sunlight puts more of a curve in the fruit, creating problems in the packing sheds.
Anyway, daylight saving only lasts for 6 months, everything will return to normal when the clocks are turned back.

On a safety note, those of us who are taking down or putting up curtains, please be careful when using ladders.

Alan...

[ian]

We are getting ready to go off DST in 3 weeks or so. Then SWMBO will have me put up the good drapes and curtains. Now that we will have one less hour of daylight the good drapes and curtains won't fade as much.what I find snicker worthy about this

if you open the curtains in the morning to let in the light and close them at night to keep out the dark, then daylight "saving" should result in LESS fading as the curtains are exposed to less sunlight between dawn and when you get up and open them to "let in the light".

[rustynail]

Close the curtains to keep out the dark? I thought closing the curtains would make it dark.

[Handyjack]

And I thought this was the JOKES forum instead of nothing to do with Woodwork.
With daylight saving, you can get up at the same time and if you work until it gets dark (like I often do) then you can get more done.

[Uncle Al]

And I thought this was the JOKES forum .

It is, and that is why I contributed about solar panels, curtains and bananas! :D

Alan...

[P.W.H.]

I'm still waiting to be paid the interest on the daylight I saved.
Hell, I don't even know what the going rate is ....

[rwbuild]

Sounds like a shady deal to me.....

[BobL]

This is a really interesting map showing the difference between standard time and solar time.
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The more red you have, the more, "so called summertime daylight saving" you have without changing any clocks.
The countries/states that have white in the middle of in them have it about right.
China has correct time centred on Beijing but being a single time zone country western China has up to 3 hours of daylight savings all year round.
Argentina has 1.5-2 hours daylight savings all year round
WA has it about right except the white bit is centred on about Kalgoorlie so that the folks in Perth have ~20 minutes of daylight savings all year round.
The very eastern seaboard edge of NSW has it about right but everywhere else already has up to an hour of daylight savings the whole year round.

[Simplicity]

It is, and that is why I contributed about solar panels, curtains and bananas! :D

Alan...

And I fell for it [emoji849]

[ian]

Close the curtains to keep out the dark? I thought closing the curtains would make it dark.it was an expression of my mother's which potentially makes it attributable to my grandmother (born around 1880).
you closed the curtains at night to either keep the "light in" or to close out the dark

[Uncle Al]

And I fell for it [emoji849]


It's alright Matt, I won't tell anyone.:D
It has been a bit of fun, although I am still a bit concerned for the dairy farmers having to educate their cows to tell the time.

Alan...

[Tccp123]

I used to work shift work when I lived in NSW and inevitably I copped the night shift with the extra hour but never the one with one less hour. The other thing I hated was changing the clocks. EVERYTHING these days has a clock in it - watches and clocks (of course), computers, printers, reticulation systems, security systems, cameras, cars, motor bikes, ovens, TVs, PVRs, DVD players, amplifiers, air conditioners, GPS units, blood pressure monitors, network attached storage units...that's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. And if you want everything to run according to plan each has to be changed twice a year. Until that can be done easily I'm happy to live in Brisbane.

[rwbuild]

First world problems,

[damian]

First world problems,

You know there is no first and second world don't you ?

Third world is a term that arose during the cold war to identify non aligned countries. Because most were undeveloped it became synonymous with undeveloped countries. After the cold war journalists, who have always been of subnormal intelligence, started using those terms as groupings for economic development.

Alan, thank you so much for the laughs. I just read the 2nd and third pages and had a mighty chuckle.

[ian]

You know there is no first and second world don't you ?

Third world is a term that arose during the cold war to identify non aligned countries. Because most were undeveloped it became synonymous with undeveloped countries. After the cold war journalists, who have always been of subnormal intelligence, started using those terms as groupings for economic development.
Don't be too sure about that.

Prior to the Cold War, 1st World was Western Europe, 2nd World was predominantly the USA and Britain's "white" dominions (Canada, Australia, New Zealand). I'm not sure where South Africa fitted into the lexicon.

Earlier still, 2nd World was the Americas (north and south) in general.

These days, 1st world might mean those members of the OECH who have good public education and universal health care systems, while 2nd World are those OECH members without same -- sorry USA.
3rd World is everyone else -- non member of OECH, no universal health care system.





or is all that too serious for a "JOKES" thread?

[rrich]

what I find snicker worthy about this

if you open the curtains in the morning to let in the light and close them at night to keep out the dark, then daylight "saving" should result in LESS fading as the curtains are exposed to less sunlight between dawn and when you get up and open them to "let in the light".

Ian,
Absolutely brilliant! I will use that argument next year in March when we go back onto DST.

[Allan at Wallan]

This is all too confusing.
If daylight saving starts to affect our blinds then it's curtains for us.

[damian]

:brava:roflmao:

Superb Alan, thank you for the laugh

[rosewood]

After all of the discussion on this subject, still can't believe that anyone has mentioned the real reason why Queensland does not have daylight savings.
I was always told as a kid by my auntie in Gympie that Sir Joh ( when he was premier) reckoned the sun shone out of his and he wasn't getting up an hour earlier for anyone.

[yachtie]

This just popped in from UK

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