Transport 90kg machine from 3978 and deliver to 3146

[barrysumpter]

Just need a quick estimate.
Waiting on pickup locations availability.


Transport 90kg machine
From: Canyon Ave, Clyde 3978
To: Iris Rd, Glen Iris 3146

Approximate Dimensions (Max)
Length: 2200mmm
510 mm
1150mm

google maps shows 37 mins for 45 km
via M1 ( no tolls as far as I can tell )
looks to be a super easy drive
just off major roads on both ends

Hoping to find someone who travelings that way anyway
( perhaps on a daily basis ) and can pickup and deliver on their way.
Both stops look very convenient.

would prefer small van or enclosed truck
Ute with a tarp cover would suffice

[ian]

Hi Barry

90kg is a serious 2 (fit) person lift.
the load will need to be properly restrained -- in the event of even a low speed crash that sort of mass will make a serious dent.

in transit, can the load lie on it's side or back ?

[barrysumpter]

Yes I was just looking at that.

To see if I could maybe gently place it in the boot.

Plenty of places to tie down.

[TermiMonster]

you could hire a small pantech with a load lift on the back. Probably cost $100 for a day. Courier might be cheaper (or a mate for a 6 pack.)

[barrysumpter]

No mates with van or ute.

Found someone for $80
Hoping it'll work out.

I had rented a ute a few years ago.
The petrol cost more than the rental.

[barrysumpter]

All sorted.

Thanks to all.

[ian]

So what was the "item"

[barrysumpter]

Morso-F Guillotine Frame Chopper

Custom converted to pneumatic triggers.

95kg - freakin heavy

Price was too good to pass up.

I think the only thing missing is the cutoff/waste slide tray in the back.

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DK 8900 Randers is the manufacturers location.

[ian]

Congratulations

Looks like the machine is also missing the left half of the guard.

Hopefully you have already sussed this, but that machine can take a finger or hand off without really trying.

Don't let any kids or inexperienced people power it up.


I suppose your next purchase will be a suitable compressor.

[barrysumpter]

Thanks.

No kids.
Has to have the air plugged in to work.
I've already got a compressor.
Will see if they will work together.

So many chores this morning driving me mad.
Mowing lawns on a dry day with allergies got me breathing hard.

Seller admitted he taped one of the switches open.
I'll have to correct that.

A 2 of 4 lock wheeled trolly came with it.
It's not secured so the machine can slip around on it.
In my sloped work shed it wouldn't be safe as is.

I'm sure there will be all kinda other worms in this can.

Two transparent shields in the front are all there is for this model.

There is a delux version that has all kinds of upgrades.

I do have the extension arm and graduated stop for it.

And the foot pedal if the pneumatic give out.

There was a piece of timber mounting the pneumatic components on the left but letting it hand there for now.

I did notice as it was being demonstrated that the work piece would lift with the cutters.

Will have to fix that.
Hopefully its just a blade adjustment.

Otherwise its solid as.
An excellent rep for machinery.

Will have to see how the blades are.
So far UK are the only ones who offer expert sharpening.

The have a listed distributor here in Victoria.
Will have to see what services they offer.

if you or anyone else has any informed suggestions I'm all ears.

[Bohdan]

The safety guard that is missing is shown here (https://goo.gl/images/1zPrQc).

I used a foot operated guillotine for many years and would not touch a pneumatic model without the guard, as there is no way to prevent it accidentally trimming your fingers, especially when cutting short pieces.

[barrysumpter]

Thats definitely the deluxe version.
At what time in the video would I see what you are posting about?

The double throw switch, one for each hand, keeps you hands away from the actioning blade.

That same video demonstrates how to cut short pieces with wooden stop extensions.

[Bohdan]

That was the wrong video, for some reason it kept putting in a different address. I replaced it with an image which shows the guard.

[ian]

I did notice as it was being demonstrated that the work piece would lift with the cutters.

Will have to fix that.
Hopefully its just a blade adjustment.
first off I'd try waxing both sides of the blade.

sharpening
If you know how to get a chisel or plane blade really sharp, you should b able to sharpen those cutters.

[barrysumpter]

My air compressor won't do the job:

Air Compressor - Performance Air
25HPACAK 2.5hp 240V 1800w
40Lt tank, 206 L/Min, on castors

the seller had a Black Ridge air compressor hooked up.

https://www.supercheapauto.com.au/search?q=Black%20Ridge%20compressor&segment=1&page=1

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This one is mine:
I am always uneasy about going over the red when I only use if for my air guns
The regulator is set to one of my guns.
I look up the info on my gun to regulate the air to it.


The regulator controls the left outlet.

The outlet on the right is the tank pressure.
It has no regulator.




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[Bohdan]

Your air compressor should have no trouble working the guillotine. What pressure is the air going to the guillotine set for? How much of a slice of timber are you cutting with each chop?

The other thing that I noticed is that the air cylinder returns the blades to full height each time. In the original foot operated mode a stop on the pedal limited this stroke. In your case the full stroke of the cylinder will be wasting a lot of air that your compressor needs to supply.

As for the blade lifting the timber on the return stroke, this is normally prevented by the fact that you hold the timber down with your hands when cutting. In your case I would look at fitting some clamps to hold the timber (like the sort that are fitted to SCMSs). This would give you a more accurate cut while keeping your hands away from the blades.

[ian]

I'm not sure that it's a good idea to suggest to Barry that the blades' travel could be limited to save air.

[barrysumpter]

Thanks for that.

Moved to narrow pine instead of wide ply.

30mm took about 7 staged cuts to finish

Anyone know what this blue tack stuff would be?
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blade alignment on narrow pieces looks spot on
alignment on wide pieces don't
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Tear out on pine
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Tear out on pine using soft backing
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Alignment
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Can I use silicon instead of wax on the blade to keep the workpiece from sticking?

I'e found a sharpening service in the UK for Morso specifically.
Another comment was you had to be very careful and sharpen Morso blades the Morso specific way.
Could have been a sales tactic.

I'm wondering if a trick of the trade is to use the softer hardwoods?

[ian]

The other method is to use your SCMS to cut to length within about 1-2 mm and then the guillotine to trim to final dimension

[barrysumpter]

Yeah just what I was thinking.

Got all my blades back from the sharpener.

Will have a go.

[Handyjack]

So now you can be framed and hung! :D Guilty or not.

Probably best to just take a sliver off the end rather than chopping through a length.

[barrysumpter]

LOL!
I hope so!

Agreed.

[barrysumpter]

Aha!
This prevents my workpiece getting stuck on the blades as they rise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7LfY6Afu6g
Starting at :35

While the blades are down,
move the blade notch lever to the left to pull the blades back off the work piece.

Allow the blades to rise while still pulled away from the workpiece.

Move the blade notch lever to the right so the blades align to the next cut position.

It takes some getting used to.
But after a few iterations it gets easier.

I was wondering why, other than convenience, one of the switches was on the lever.
Now I know.

Also, if there is a framing retailer near Glen Iris 3146
that can get me a Morso Morsx0021 blade bolt spanner from the wholesaler
could you please private message me?

[barrysumpter]

Fitted my new blades.
Finally a clean cut.
So much better.

I need to find a way to afix the work piece in a fixed position.
The work piece was NOT pine.
It was some sort of darker coloured harder wood.

I think the last cut was to short to clamp.

One of the videos mentioned the stock you buy for frames comes in 2 x 9' lengths.

6 cuts seemed spot on.
The other two were off.
grrrr. still learning.

Are the frames supplied at the picture framers shop made of more stable timber.
Like mdf, etc?

I was surprised to find my regular saw blade sharpener knows how to hallow grind my Morso-F guillotine blades.
Reasonably affordable as well.

[barrysumpter]

Could the blue tac stuff in the first pic be some sort of thread protector?

[barrysumpter]

Mouldings made from custom wood?

[ian]

I believe "custom wood" is mdf by another name.

[barrysumpter]

How funny is that!
I got up this morning thinking I should be testing and aligning the guillotine with mdf work pieces.

[barrysumpter]

Had to put the guillotine away.
Sharp blades are so much better.
But way too long to fit the blades perfectly.
And still not perfect joins.

I'm absolutely sure its me not being in the know with the trade.
Don't know the secret handshake or have the sacred books or secret word.
(I've tried all the four letter words. Still not happening.)

So broke down and built another mitre sled for the table saw.
A much smaller one this time.

No five cut method as I really needed to to accomplish a goal.

Finally!

Quick mitre sled
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Leaned how to clamp a box smaller than my corner clamps.
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So the conclusion at the moment is I'm not capable of producing perfect miter cuts.
I'll move on to the next step and try to find a way to hide them.

[barrysumpter]

Aha!
...
Also, if there is a framing retailer near Glen Iris 3146
that can get me a Morso Morsx0021 blade bolt spanner from the wholesaler
could you please private message me?

Sorted.



Also found a couple more items missing.

Stop beam with measuring scale (Steel Rule)
Stop Block (Spring with clamp knob/star wheel)
Shorter Divided Bear with Measuring Scale ( I have the longer )

Would like to obtain:
Safety Guard for knife block

No longer interested in obtaining these items thru distributor retail outlet.

If you have theses parts for sale privately or know someone who has, please let me know.