Ethanol Petrol

[ozwinner]

Ok dudes.
Ive done it.
Thinking of the bigger picture, I have put E10 into my beast.:eek:

Only time will tell.
If it blows up you will hear me nation wide, without the aid of the internet, or phone.

I figure.
It takes more E10 fuel to do the same work of ordinary unleaded.
My spending on fuel will stay the same.

But.
I will help take the pressure off fossil fuels.
Help make the planet a better place to live. Awwwwwwhhhh :o

Al :)

[Grunt]

The other benefit is that you can drink it.

:D

[DavidG]

I went one step further.
Replaced a 4 wheel with a small motor bike where possible.
Oil companies can stick that one where it hurts.
16 litres reduced to 4 litres per 100 k

[mewzishen]

OZWINNER:
Channel Seven's Today Tonight did a test with four identical cars, all having five litres of fuel each - Premium Unleaded, Standard Unleaded, E-5, and E-10.
They each ran around on a flat test track at a steady 60 KPH until they ran out of fuel. The PULP fuelled car was the FIRST to conk out. The car using E-10 ran the furthest. They concluded that on a full tank of fuel, the E-10 fuelled car would have gone about 200 kilometres further than the car using Premium Unleaded. Not the result I would have expected, but it seems that it doesn't take more ethanol mix fuel to do the same work, it takes less.
I expected the higher octane premium unleaded to go further, since it produces more power, and the ethanol mix fuel to go the shortest distance, since it reportedly produces less power, but this test shows otherwise.
I expect the details are on Today Tonight's website for futher reading.
It may take the pressure off fossil fuels, but its emissions are somewhat different to gasoline; a different kind of air pollution, which won't really make the planet a better place to live. More oxides of nitrogen (if I remember correctly the comments of one university academic) which will increase the brown haze type smog that plagues our cities.
Meanwhile, some American car builder (private, not corporate), is fitting standard cars with an electric motor to replace the gasoline engine, but otherwise retaining the standard gearbox and driveline, and running it on banks of Lithium-Ion batteries, with apparently great success.
Hopefully this is the breakthrough our planet has been waiting for, but unfortunately it will be a battle with the oil companies and governments, neither of which want to see an end to gasoline use. The oil companies don't want to be put out of business, and the world's governments have a vested interest in oil as a world currency. Imagine what would happen to Saudi Arabia and other oil producing nations (including Australia) if electric vehicles made gasoline redundant. The world economy would be in chaos, so we can't hope or expect electric vehicles (or bio-fuels like ethanol for that matter) to instantly end our reliance on fossil fuels just yet. Sad but true.

[Kev Y.]

OOOHH yes Today tonight, a most relyable news and current affairs program, I would certianly believe EVERYTHING they ( along with A Current Affair) tell me :cool: (***** where is the sarcasam icon?)

[duckman]

OZWINNER:
Channel Seven's Today Tonight did a test with four identical cars, all having five litres of fuel each - Premium Unleaded, Standard Unleaded, E-5, and E-10.


Four identical cars? No two cars are "identical" so they failed before they even started. Only by using the same car over the same terrain with the same driver, the same weather, particularly with regard to the wind speed and direction and starting with a cold engine each time could they even come close to a set of proper test conditions.

Their results don't surprise me in the slightest. PULP is not the best fuel for all cars. A mate of mine, who is a rev head from way back and takes his cars very seriously, has proven that he gets better fuel economy out of his HSV Commodores, he's onto his third, running PULP than ordinary ULP. The engine in his Commodore is very different to the one in my 'almost vintage' VH Commodore so I wouldn't expect to get the same results as he does.

As for TT or ACA's credibility, I don't waste my time watching either. Tabloid trash through and through. :mad: :mad:

[outback]

The killer with electric is some bugger is burning coal to make it, not all that good for the environment. :D

[DanP]

Ahhhh....Today Tonight. A fine example of journalistic brilliance....NOT.

Not so long ago they were bleating about ethanol at the pump, now they're selling it. :rolleyes:

Dan

[ozwinner]

Well chaps, I have been running E10 for the last week and I think the yoot runs better on it.

Only my opinion, but it seems to run sweeter, pun intended.
I shall run E10 in the yoot from now on.

Al :)

[aussiecolector]

Higher octane fuel will only produce more power if the compression is higher. (I think)

[Eastie]

I can't find any reference to the RON of E10? Given that ethanol raises octane levels, I thought they'd be more than happy to advertise it being the same as premium unleaded....

[Ianab]

Higher octane fuel will only produce more power if the compression is higher. (I think)

Kinda right
A higher compression engine should produce more power.. but it NEEDS to run on high octane to prevent pre-detonation = death of engine

My boring little work Corolla station wagon runs at 11:1 compression, so it's high octane only and it will still knock at low rpm :rolleyes:

But basically get the octane your engine needs, more is a waste of $$

Ian

[savage]

G'Day All,

Just my thoughts on PULP, had a Jakeroo with the Izusu (spelling?) motor and found that when it was fed ULP it was not as responsive (felt flat) especially when towing the boat (1 Tonne) kerbside weight (before fishing gear,fuel etc). This was a 200klm round trip to the south coast NSW (Kiama) travelling up Mt Ousley, and found it would not hold the rev's if running on ULP, but on PULP it would. My personal findings was under load there was a definite difference, no load as Al said it ran "sweet"!....
savage(Eric).:)

[Harry72]

Four identical cars? No two cars are "identical" so they failed before they even started. Only by using the same car over the same terrain with the same driver, the same weather, particularly with regard to the wind speed and direction and starting with a cold engine each time could they even come close to a set of proper test conditions.. :mad:
And to top that off they would need to drive the car at least 200km on each fuel to adjust to it, 99% of new cars adapt to the fuel and conditions the car endures...

[Wood Butcher]

Interesting note for those that say they get better economy on ethanol blended fuels. At the local BP there is a sign on the e10 pumps that say "usage of ethanol blended fuel may cause increased fuel consumption". :confused:

Personally found that my car does not run better on e10, but my ute does ??????

[ozwinner]

Interesting note for those that say they get better economy on ethanol blended fuels. At the local BP there is a sign on the e10 pumps that say "usage of ethanol blended fuel may cause increased fuel consumption". :confused:

Personally found that my car does not run better on e10, but my ute does ??????

I havent done a fuel economy run, when I do I take the averages over a couple of months.
Some days the yoot is loaded right up, some days its almost empty, so a couple of months minimum for the econo test.

But it does respond better.

Al :)

[Daddles]

But it does respond better.

Al :)

What? Tries to turn into every bottle shop it passes? :D

Richard

[Nic0]

When I lived down south I used E10 fuel in my commodore with no ill effects and it actually seemed more responsive. I found that in ran realy well if I mixed half a tank of regular unleaded with half a tank of the higher octane E10 blend.

[Gaza]

In the last issue of street machine mag, they did dyno tests of V8 commodore with std PULP and E10, E10 did add a few Hp at the rear wheels std but when the reprogramed the computer (to adjust supply and timing to motor) the Hp went though the roof, cost of reprograming under $200.00 bucks, can not wait for E10 to hit Syds servos i ll be off to the performace shop to get my Gen 3 V8 reprogramed. more power for free (well almost)