Who needs petrol?

[echnidna]

Just picked this up off another forum.
So it just needs one of you inteelectuals to make it happen.

"It so happens I am a research chemist whose interest lie in creating
hydrogen on demand.I used to have a Brown's Gas Generator sold by
Denis Lee.It was a useless piece of crap that never worked.At the
moment I have the begin of a design to separate the Hydrogen from the
water through a steam process.

Sucess full hydrogen generators have been built since the 1930'sThe
patent office has all sorts of expired patents to search through of
people long gone to their maker.

Brown's Gas works but if you investigate this go to the
George Wiseman' web site.He is a credible guy.Hydrogen is the future
but to harness it cheaply is were the problem lies.

I worked with a group who had a aluminum engine that ran on hydrogen
but then blew the spark plug out.Duh Hydrogen and Aluminum don't mix.

There is website by a French Inventor JL NAUDIN that gives evidence
hydrogen from water is easily made.He has plans that some one smart
in mechanical inventing could easily turn into a welding
machine.Including drawings of a Brown's Generator that are free for
anyone to download.So guys have some fun Bill Toebes"

[kiwigeo]

Getting hydrogen from water is an old idea...the problem is it requires more energy to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen than you gain from buring the resultant hydrogen.....you end up using more energy than you produce. Cheaper to use petrol.

[kiwigeo]

Some interesting reading on Browns Gas.....

http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm

[jow104]

Getting hydrogen from water is an old idea...the problem is it requires more energy to split the water into oxygen and hydrogen than you gain from buring the resultant hydrogen.....you end up using more energy than you produce. Cheaper to use petrol.


Old fashion slavery might do the trick though :)

[ozwinner]

Ok JJ, send us some more slaves over, the old ones have all died.


Al :D

[jow104]

You are still as sharp as ever Oz.

Scrap the visas allocations and they will flood in :eek:

[Gingermick]

Plenty of hydrogen atoms around, just need to squeeze them until they fuse, then they release abundant energy. I'm thinking of getting some pliers and giving it a go next week.
Of course, if it were shown to be possible to extract energy in a way that could rival oil, the oil companies would have the discoverer shot.
I once saw an Australian science show that reported on a bloke who had come up with a Radar that could detect America's new stealth planes. It was a revolutionary new radar and I never heard anything about it, or him again.

[echnidna]

biggest problem with alternate fuels is that Governments need to figure oiut how to tax them or the economies of the developed countries will go down the gurgler.

[DavidG]

As I said in another thread.
Diesel engines can run quite happy on canola or any other veggi oil.

It is now cheaper to fill the tractor inside woollies than at the woollies servo :eek:

[savage]

Wasn't it the same with that bloke Sarrich, or something like that, he made a working proto-type of a new type of engine that ran on petrol or diesel but the consumption was a 1/3 of a traditional engine of the same displacment?...Anyway one of the big car manufacturers and a major oil company bought the patents with a promise to do further reseach into it and it was never heard of again?....I think thats what it was all about!...

savage.

[graemet]

Cynical ba5tard! Who could believe that car manufacturers or petrol companies would resort to such underhand conspiracies. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif
Cheers
Graeme

[echnidna]

As I said in another thread.
Diesel engines can run quite happy on canola or any other veggi oil.

It is now cheaper to fill the tractor inside woollies than at the woollies servo :eek:

How do you stop the wax in veggie oils gumming up the injector pump and injectors?

[savage]

Yeah what was I thinking!...just cos' they and some servo's lace thier fuel with Toulene and really nacker your cars engine!.....so I'll just buy another car!....Nah! they wouldn't do anything like that!.....would they?...

savage.

[Gingermick]

Cynical ba5tard! Who could believe that car manufacturers or petrol companies would resort to such underhand conspiracies. http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif
Cheers
Graeme
Yes they have executives who have families with mouths to feed. And the family tax benefit only covers the golf membership.

[DavidG]

echnidna
Really not quite as easy as just using straight vegi oil although you can mix some into the ordinary diesel to extend it.

See BioDiesel (http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/biodiesel.html)

[journeyman Mick]

echnidna
Really not quite as easy as just using straight vegi oil although you can mix some into the ordinary diesel to extend it.

See BioDiesel (http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/biodiesel.html)

You can use straight vegie oil (filtered, used oil from a takeaway works fine), if it's heated up to make it thin enough for the injectors to atomise. Otherwise, in a warm climate you can add about 30% to diesel. I did this for about a year with my ute, it seemed to run better on the oil/diesel mix (and smelt like a barbecue). You can brew up biodiesel but it looks like a lot of messy and dangerous mucking around to me.

Mick

[DavidG]

journeyman Mick
You had beter watch out for the revenuers (?? spl) (tax man) as you really have to pay excise on you home brew fuel.

There is lots of discussion about this concept on a tractor forum I belong to.
Some say you can and some say you can not, use straight vegi oil.

The cost of diesel repairs means I will still buy mine from an appropriate source but the current prices are starting to make the investigation of alternates a real possibility.
It may be possible for me to grow my own oil source.

[journeyman Mick]

journeyman Mick
You had beter watch out for the revenuers (?? spl) (tax man) as you really have to pay excise on you home brew fuel.

Aaah, but I didn't brew up fuel, I merely put an "additive" in my tank ;) besides, they'd have to catch me first :p

Mick

[savage]

Yeah!..I use additives!....when my fuel gauge shows it's low, I additive some more!....:D

savage.

[JackoH]

There was an article in a recent edition of ,I think, "Caravan World" about a bloke who converted an ex Sydney bus into a motor home and drove it round Australia. He pulled a trailer loaded with 44's and just called at the local fish and chipperies and hotels and took their used cooking oil. They were delightedf to get rid of it. He filtered it and put it straight into his fuel tank.
Went round "the block" for about $5 !

[jshaw]

I caught a programme late one night on BBC World about the Edible Oils Co. in Malta. Since the island's sewerage was having problems with all the waste oil finding its way down the pipes, the company decided to set up a recycling biodiesel project that seems to be working really well. They collect from restaurants, convert the waste oil and sell from servos. Some info here (http://www.theworldchallenge.co.uk/finalists6.html). How many chip shops and other deep fryers are there likely to be in each of our capital cities? Surely this should be the norm and not an exception!

[Termite]

Does this all mean that I can run my vehicle "as cheap as chips"? :rolleyes:

[kiwigeo]

Of course, if it were shown to be possible to extract energy in a way that could rival oil, the oil companies would have the discoverer shot.
I once saw an Australian science show that reported on a bloke who had come up with a Radar that could detect America's new stealth planes. It was a revolutionary new radar and I never heard anything about it, or him again.

ExxonMobil not big into alternative energy and have outspoken opinions on the subject but alot of the other major players are investing in alternative energy technology. I believe BP is one of if not the biggest producer of solar cells and they are also big into hydrogen fuel cell technology. At least some of the oil companies are readying themselves for when the oil finally runs out.

As for the guy who developed that new radar...hes probably sitting on a beah in the Bahamas somewhere spending the big payout he got from the US military.

[savage]

Does this all mean that I can run my vehicle "as cheap as chips"? :rolleyes:
<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->Termite.

I don't know!.....But would you like fries with that?....:)

savage.

[savage]

Tried that cat fuel once and thought I'd blewup my motor, but thank goodness it was only a fur ball!....Ha!Ha!
savage.
P.S. exhuast smelt like cats p!$$, think I prefere BBQ smell!....

[echnidna]

Is this the ultimate alternative to petrol here (http://www.fuellesspower.com/engine2FREE.htm) :eek: :eek:

[AlexS]

Aaah, but I didn't brew up fuel, I merely put an "additive" in my tank ;) besides, they'd have to catch me first :p

Mick

Just watch out for strangers looking for a BBQ :D

[RETIRED]

Is this the ultimate alternative to petrol here (http://www.fuellesspower.com/engine2FREE.htm) :eek: :eek:
Shades of Mythbusters past? :)

[echnidna]

Can't see the small pic of the fuel less engine properly but it could be a multi cylinder stirling engine.

But more likely a con job.

Think I'll go count all my fingers

[Clinton1]

I saw a bloke in Dili, Timor Leste that had rerouted his and his neighbours 'septic' (septic in that the line from the toilet originally ran to the open drain, which was used to grow the market veggies - its a poor place) to fill a composting tank. He had a sleeve/pipe over the pit slab and a weighted 'piston' on that. The weighted piston compressed the 'methane', which he piped off to his stove. His homemade gas plant was very old, and had been in the family for generations. The idea dates back to the Chinese aeons ago - and apparently they are common in rural China today. There is evidance of 'primus' bottles from 'ancient' China - bamboo filled with methane.
Anyway - I was impressed.
I intend to patent an idea for fuelling cars that relies on lentils, piping and a blast gate.... however I do need business financing and a 'test pilot'. Offers anyone?

[kiwigeo]

Is this the ultimate alternative to petrol here (http://www.fuellesspower.com/engine2FREE.htm) :eek: :eek:

Its another bldi perpetual motion machine...it goes against all the basic laws of nature.

[kiwigeo]

Is this the ultimate alternative to petrol here (http://www.fuellesspower.com/engine2FREE.htm) :eek: :eek:

Im very sceptical.....they parrot on about science but not a shred if scientific evidence to back their claims. No references to papers published in scientific journals.....no evidence of the fueless engine having been actually tested under lab conditions. How can they hope to be taken seriously with such an amateurish approach?

It reminds me of the water powered combustion engine my sparkie used to go on about. He ended up losing all his money and his marriage backing the thing....every time I asked to actually see the thing working there was some excuse why it couldnt be arranged. All I saw was a photo very much like the one on the fuellesspower website.

It all reminds me of the x ray glasses you used to see advertised in the back of comics.

[Daddles]

Yer just getting cynical in your old age. :D

Richard

[kiwigeo]

Yer just getting cynical in your old age. :D

Richard

Im a cynical and skeptical old scientist... this sort of cr*p is like a red rag to a bull.

[r5e]

Hi everyone, I just googled across your posts here mentioning biodiesel and veggie oil, so I thought I'd fill you in on the tax issues:

1. Biodiesel is exempt from excise if you are a commercial producer, you get a rebate.
2. If you are a home producer of biodiesel, you can also register with the ATO to get a rebate, but that is dependant on record keeping and also getting an expensive chemical analysis for every batch you make. (In other words, don't bother registering and drive the scene underground! Silly government!)
3. There are (as yet) NO LAWS concerning the use of Straight Vegetable Oil (SVO) or Waste Cooking Oil (WCO) in your vehicle. The difference is that biodiesel is defined by the Aust Tax Office as Methyl Esters, specifically, having gone through the reaction process of making biodeisel. If you want to run your diesel engine on this, you can with no tax. There is no ambiguity about the government defining veggie oil as biodiesel. It quite clearly is not.

I've just set up a new site for Sydney Biodiesel Users (well, anyone in Australia, really) at www.sydneybiodiesel.com (http://www.sydneybiodiesel.com/). There's a forum (http://www.biofuelsforum.com/) there too if anyone cares to ask questions. It's only been up a few weeks, so it's not very well populated yet, but you may find the info you are looking for there. The FAQs (http://www.sydneybiodiesel.com/content/category/3/7/25/) of the site have a few topics that deal with the Australian tax issues of biodiesel. The site is there purely to inform and spread the word, it has no other agenda and is not run by any commercial interest.

[bennylaird]

Plenty of hydrogen atoms around, just need to squeeze them until they fuse, then they release abundant energy. I'm thinking of getting some pliers and giving it a go next week.
Of course, if it were shown to be possible to extract energy in a way that could rival oil, the oil companies would have the discoverer shot.
I once saw an Australian science show that reported on a bloke who had come up with a Radar that could detect America's new stealth planes. It was a revolutionary new radar and I never heard anything about it, or him again.

The Jindalee RADAR network has been up and going for years now and due to the low frequency can pick up stealth aircraft, check it out here: http://defence-data.com/features/fpage37.htm

Or do a search

[Ashore]

Saw a 60 min's type show on the Boganville Rebals and the have been running all sorts of engines on palm oil for years

The trouble with life is there's no background music.

Russell