New zealand sub forum ?

[sirex]

Would there be any possibility to get a new zealand sub forum here ?

As a kiwi i often come here because, frankly, there's nothing similar in NZ that i can find (besides, this forum is so well established in many other ways). It would however be great to have a place to chat with other locals and have discussions on more nz specific topics like suppliers, timbers, and meet ups etc.

Could we get an nz sub forum at all ?

[bryn23]

I think its a great idea for a sub forum for the Kiwi's

Awesome country, spent 3 years living there up in Coromandel 2011-2014, fishing is bloodygood, people are great and friendly

i'd still be there if my wife didn't want to come back to aus.

[Sturdee]

you could start a group for Kiwi's (http://www.woodworkforums.com/groups) and encourage others to join you. It is accessed through the community drop down box.

Peter.

[fletty]

This is how BREXIT started :roll:......

fletty

[sirex]

weird. says i don't have permission.

[cava]

Just to stir the pot, New Zealand not having a formal Constitution, appears to have been included as part of Australia in the Australian Constitution. :D



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[sirex]

i've tried to capture the relationship of NZ to Aus, and the cities within in one image. I'm no artist, but this is the best i can manage. (http://oi63.tinypic.com/2yozxqp.jpg)

but seriously, it would be good to have an easier to way to know the information under discussion was actually directly applicable to the situation, be in a good source of wood, a product on special offer, and new business or service etc. By the time you rule out the US forums and topics, and the AUS topics here, you get breadcrumbs and tidbits left over. I know we're not a big place, but a sub forum would be a great thing to have.


Just to stir the pot, New Zealand not having a formal Constitution, appears to have been included as part of Australia in the Australian Constitution.

[ian]

Just to stir the pot, New Zealand not having a formal Constitution, appears to have been included as part of Australia in the Australian Constitution. :D
not quite so

you are quoting Clause 6 of the "Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act" UK 1900 wherein the Australian Constitution is but Clause 9.

[cava]

True, and it was a tongue in cheek comment.:D

But the clauses 1-8 do form, almost if you will, an integral part of the background to the Constitution.

A quick check of Quick & Garrans should clarify this though.

[cava]

i've tried to capture the relationship of NZ to Aus, and the cities within in one image. I'm no artist, but this is the best i can manage. (http://oi63.tinypic.com/2yozxqp.jpg)



A Hamilton boy?

I have family from that part of the world. :D

[China]

Don't see the point the forum is open to any country, nothing to stop other kiwis joining

[ian]

Would there be any possibility to get a new zealand sub forum here ?

As a kiwi i often come here because, frankly, there's nothing similar in NZ that i can find (besides, this forum is so well established in many other ways). It would however be great to have a place to chat with other locals and have discussions on more nz specific topics like suppliers, timbers, and meet ups etc.

Could we get an nz sub forum at all ?perhaps, the simplest way would be to suffix (or prefix) a NZ specific post with NZL

something like --
NZL looking for ...
or help with ... NZL

[sirex]

yeah, i'm not saying it's not an inclusive community. It's just that any topic which relates to physical location does not usually apply, and when it doesn't apply to you, it's perhaps more noticeable. Any thread that ends in 'try this website' or 'buy this product' or 'i use this sawmill' or 'can i borrow'. etc etc ad nauseam. It'd be good to have at least one little section where you know what you're reading is actually relevant without having to pick out the threads here and there.

Or my personal favourite which starts with 'Here a thing'; go look up thing; find thing is perfect; find thing costs freakin' triple to get into NZ through customs, tax and shipping; find thing is also not available locally in NZ.

Maybe i'm wrong, but i know that there's zero places online for kiwi woodworkers to gather that are actually nz focused, so they're probably all on here, lurking. It'd be good to have a place to mingle, tis all.


Don't see the point the forum is open to any country, nothing to stop other kiwis joining

[Big Shed]

you could start a group for Kiwi's (http://www.woodworkforums.com/groups) and encourage others to join you. It is accessed through the community drop down box.

Peter.


Just had a look at Peter's link (must admit I'd never been there), and there is actually a Kiwi specific group there.
The group has/had 6 members and there has been no activity there since August 2014.
There are quite a few Groups there, even a Singapore one.

[ian]

Or my personal favourite which starts with 'Here a thing'; go look up thing; find thing is perfect; find thing costs freakin' triple to get into NZ through customs, tax and shipping; find thing is also not available locally in NZ.
I think many of us hear your pain.

find thing that would be perfect,
go looking for an Australian supplier (that is if there is an Australian supplier) -- AUS $ cost is 2-3 times US $ cost. :o

look at importing thing -- shipping cost is WHAT ?? (customs and GST kick in at AUD $1000)

so we either give up or pay the asking price.



BTW
There's a few threads where people have resorted to connecting an imported 110V tool to a step down transformer / hertz converter




Maybe i'm wrong, but i know that there's zero places online for kiwi woodworkers to gather that are actually nz focused, so they're probably all on here, lurking. It'd be good to have a place to mingle, tis all.
perhaps it's time to arrange a Kiwi GTG?

[bryn23]

Don't see the point the forum is open to any country, nothing to stop other kiwis joining

The idea is that with a sub forum for Kiwi's is that they can talk about whats products they can get there and same with materials.

Same goes with forum meet ups.

Ive been on quite a few forums that have country sub sections, as products (and names) are different.

It would be easier to follow the threads in a NZ sub forum.

[bryn23]

The GST import limit in NZ is $400, compared to the $1000 AUD we have here, i just started getting all my stuff from the states and imported them into NZ, i had to get an import license (it was free, just a piece of paperwork), as these are required for over a $1000 purchase.

As it was pointed out, tools and other things were 2-3 times the price of what i could get in Aus.

[ian]

The idea is that with a sub forum for Kiwi's is that they can talk about whats products they can get there and same with materials.

Same goes with forum meet ups.

Ive been on quite a few forums that have country sub sections, as products (and names) are different.

It would be easier to follow the threads in a NZ sub forum.but would it detract from the community here?

[Big Shed]

So far the only member stating his location as NZ is the OP, sirex.

There have been 2 other positive responses, but both those members state their location as Brisbane, hardly an overwhelmingly positive response from NZ forum members.

There has been no response to Sturdee's post re a Group for NZ members, which I amplified also without any response.

As I said, there is already a Kiwi members group, which would seem to me to fill the bill nicely, but it also does not seem to have much of a Kiwi response.

[Ironwood]

So far the only member stating his location as NZ is the OP,
.

Is there a town in NZ called Yes ? :rolleyes:

[bryn23]

but would it detract from the community here?

I don't think it would at all, as for members being from NZ, i think half of NZ lives here anyway, lol

[ian]

in part that's what I meant.

This forum might be Australian based but there are members in Canada, US, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, South Africa, as well as NZ.

does a NZ sub-forum risk sending a subtle message that people outside NZL are not welcome to participate?

[bueller]

IMO this place could do with a major subforum overhaul, there are so many it can be very overwhelming coming here for a first time user. I pretty much just use Spy to keep an eye on forum activity because trying to track so many different subforums is a mission.

[sirex]

I don't know, maybe. Otoh, i'm willing to bet all those places have their own communities in addition to here. NZ isn't really big enough to have such a thing but at the same time it's 1/5th the aussie population and right next door so imho it would make sense there would be a decent number of kiwi's here. The groups thing is probably a good idea and could potentially serve the purpose, but i've been coming here for years under one name or anouther and honestly i didn't even know they existed until it was linked to in this thread, so it's probably not well known of, or at least not well known of enough to serve it's purpose.

tbh there's so many sub forums here i was kind of assuming they were being made when interest was shown, so you know... just registering an interest :) My suspicion is that if you build it, they will come.




in part that's what I meant.

This forum might be Australian based but there are members in Canada, US, Italy, Netherlands, Germany, South Africa, as well as NZ.

does a NZ sub-forum risk sending a subtle message that people outside NZL are not welcome to participate?

[Big Shed]

I don't think it would at all, as for members being from NZ, i think half of NZ lives here anyway, lol


But that is not the demographic sirex is aiming at.

[ian]

I don't know, maybe. Otoh, i'm willing to bet all those places have their own communities in addition to here. NZ isn't really big enough to have such a thing but at the same time it's 1/5th the aussie population com'on
the entire population of New Zealand (4.7 M) is less than the population of Sydney (5.0 M) -- even if you exclude the 15% of kiwis who already live in Australia.

but enough already.
This is not about bagging the rugby greats who live on the eastern side of the Tasman.


Like I'm one to talk, but in terms of encouraging fellow New Zealanders to "clump" together, you could do worse than arrange a NZL GTG.
Off the top of my head, I can think of 3 maybe 4 regular NZL posters who might be interested.


I've been a member of this forum for quite some time, and one of the things I've noticed is that the forum community appears to be strengthened when members meet in person to share stories or personally help each other. The GTGs organised by Dave TTC, Brett and Fletty are a very good example.
So I'd like to encourage you to explore the possibility.


Also, does anyone know if the Centre For Fine Woodworking in Nelson has a presence on this forum?


Like you my suspicion is that if you build it, they will come.

[P.W.H.]

Personally, I don't see the point. I want to hit as broad an audience as I can when I am asking for a review, and I don't want to limit what I post to just one tiny subgroup.
I noticed there were quite a few NZ contributors here and there in the topics I perused.

I make no secret of where I am (my new shed is in Kauri, just north of Whangarei) ... and if anyone wants to talk local stuff, I don't see why that cannot happen in any
of the other forums -- carbatec nz is not that different from carbatec au, same goes for machineryhouse and various others - or in a personal message.

Tried to give away some Tassie Blackwood logs when I sold my farm (for free) last June but didn't even get a nibble.


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[ian]

shame that you couldn't fit the logs into that "castle"

[ubeaut]

As Fred has already mentioned there is already a section for NZ Members called Kiwi Woodworkers it can be found by clicking on: Community then Groups The community drop down is on the dark brown navigation bar at the top of all pages.

There are 18 Groups in all there many regional and mostly very, very, unused.

Anyone can set up a new group but getting people to join in, add posts or even use it is a problem that would need to be sorted out by the starter of the group, eg contacting other users who might be interested, putting on a notice saying the group is open and available for posting, etc.

Getting a group up and running is the same as getting a forum up and running only simpler as you already have a massive database of members to choose from and they're all in the right place. You will have to work it though. It won't just happen.

The Kiwi Woodworkers Group is pretty much dead with only 7 members and no posts since around 2009. Nice to have a number of members but if there are no posts to create any interest then it's just a collection of names, not a collection of interested or committed members.

Of interest: Jas The Master - Starter of Kiwi Woodworkers Group hasn't been on the forums since April 2014. So if someone wants to make a go of it then get off the mark and contact people who might be interested. Start by posting something in the Group then maybe do a search of Members from NZ currently the first 3 are on pages 7 and 9 when viewing 100 per page and there are 308 pages so a lot of pages to search if anyone wants to make it work.

Hope this is of some help.

Cheers - Neil :U