Outside chance

[DaveTTC]

G'day Everyone

Just a bit of an outside chance. Looks like my current job is coming to an end. The business partners are parting ways and closing up shop. I could have as little as two weeks work.

Today i have been asked to take a day off. Though on wages I am sure it is leave with out pay.

Does anyone happen to know of some work in Horsham. Happy to do anything but need a little more than a rock bottom base pay.

Regards

Dave TTC
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[Cliff Rogers]

Bugger, hope something turns up for you.

[rwbuild]

Bummer, if you have the required licenses, try sub contracting with the bigger project builders

[DaveTTC]

Had my builders and supervisors but let them lapse by mistake

Dave TTC
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[rwbuild]

How long since they lapsed? It would be easier to get your supervisors license again but the builders one would be harder. Average supervisors salary in project homes about $90k + car + phone + laptop

[DaveTTC]

About 2 yrs

Dave TTC
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[rwbuild]

Inquire about getting your supervisors license again, its worth it, lots of jobs for hands on supervisors especially in extension work and restoration which you have an eye for

[KBs PensNmore]

Geez Dave, you've had a run of bad luck, hope something good comes up soon for you.
Kryn

[DaveTTC]

Yeah i was really liking this job too

Dave TTC
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[Wood Collector]

Try Tabma or HIA as I know with Tabma that you can look at what jobs are available. Good luck with finding a job.

[DaveTTC]

Have not heard of Tabma. Will google it now

Dave TTC
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[Simplicity]

Bummer mate .
I hope something turns up very soon for you .

[ian]

Hi Dave
bummer.
can't suggest any work possibilities, sorry

but if the partners do call it quits, this may help to tide you over https://employment.gov.au/fair-entitlements-guarantee-feg

[DaveTTC]

Thanks ian. Looking it up now. Not sure if i fit. Looks like liquidation and bankrupcy. They have just ceased trading so not sure if that applies but will keep reading.

Dave TTC
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[ian]

Dave

you should have some entitlement to some form of severance pay.
If the business can't pay then it's insolvent (can't pay its bills) so the safety net provisions should kick in for you.

Partnerships are tricky for the owners -- a principle called joint and several liability -- which might mean the owners have to liquidate the partnership to avoid any debts following them around like a bad smell.

[johnc]

Dave

you should have some entitlement to some form of severance pay.
If the business can't pay then it's insolvent (can't pay its bills) so the safety net provisions should kick in for you.

Partnerships are tricky for the owners -- a principle called joint and several liability -- which might mean the owners have to liquidate the partnership to avoid any debts following them around like a bad smell.

Even if you end the partnership the debts still follow them around, the liability you refer to means any one partner can be sued for the lot.

[Simplicity]

Might be an idea to talk to someone in the know Dave
You have to look after number one sometimes that docent mean you have to be an a.......
Just get some sound advice

[DaveTTC]

Hi Dave
bummer.
can't suggest any work possibilities, sorry

but if the partners do call it quits, this may help to tide you over https://employment.gov.au/fair-entitlements-guarantee-feg
Does this work if they were registered as a company?

Dave TTC
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[ian]

registration as a company should make the process easier.

I suggest you keep a record of the days you are directed not to work (and what the direction was) and if the day is paid (= annual leave) or unpaid (which might translate into paid leave if you need to lodge a claim)

[DaveTTC]

Should have given an update. The partnership / company was dissolved just ovet a week ago.

On the Tuesay night I recieved a call not to come in the next day as ine of the bosses (C...) was tied up with the accountant that day.

Wednesday night I recieved a similar call sayig prob mo work tilk Monday.

Over the weekend wad told to meet Monday and all would be explained.

Monday met on a job to be told would no longet be going to that Job as it was tied up with the ex partner. Told that Horsham Building and Renovation Supplies would no longer be paying my wages. Cant remember the exact words but to the effect that the company no longer exists.

That said I have unpaid holiday pay, 9 hours sick pay i was never paid and i presume some orher entitlements. I still have not recieved a group certificate and dont kow if they have been paying my taxes.

So the up shot. 'C' had offered me casual work on a need basis. The pay when you factor in being a contractor over being on wages means I am on 1/2 pay if I accept his offer.

Will be seriously looking at working for myself and watching the net for any other jobs that may be out there.

Thanks for all the info you have shared. I am trying to negotiate what is owed and if this fails will have to look at other avenues.

Dave TTC
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[rwbuild]

Hmm, dodgy bros inc. As for working for yourself you will need a valid license, insurances, etc. You will leave yourself open to litigation if you aren't licensed, be very careful Dave.

[rwbuild]

As for tax paid, contact ATO,they will be able to tell you.

[Big Shed]

As for tax paid, contact ATO,they will be able to tell you.

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Also check on whether super has been paid, that is usually the first thing that goes by the wayside

[DaveTTC]

Hmm, dodgy bros inc. As for working for yourself you will need a valid license, insurances, etc. You will leave yourself open to litigation if you aren't licensed, be very careful Dave.
Will chase up insurance and license again. Looking at just foing the handyman market. Can do better anf faster than the av handyman therefore should be able to make better money than them.

Not really interested in anymore major building and renos

Dave TTC
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[Sawdust Maker]

bugger

good luck with whatever you decide

[rwbuild]

Got a good tag line for any advertising

"I fix what others can't"

You have the ability to work and think outside the normal, an admirable trait for a handy man

[DaveTTC]

Got a good tag line for any advertising

"I fix what others can't"

You have the ability to work and think outside the normal, an admirable trait for a handy man
I may just use that

Dave TTC
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[johnc]

As for tax paid, contact ATO,they will be able to tell you.

Doesn't matter, the ATO will credit you for PAYG tax even if it hasn't been paid by the Company. The ATO is not able to tell you if it has been paid for privacy reasons. Contact you superfund though to see what has gone in, you can get the ATO to chase this up although you may be out of luck on that one.

[Simplicity]

Dave I won't take any offence in your last post regarding handyman .
I run a handyman business and have done for over five years .
And have fixed other provisional jobs!!
Pm if you want a chat or some pointers .
Cheers Matt .
Just the handyman lol lol

[DaveTTC]

Thanks Matt. Might give you a call. Think i have your number here somewhere

Dave TTC
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[ian]

Should have given an update. The partnership / company was dissolved just ovet a week ago.

On the Tuesay night I recieved a call not to come in the next day as ine of the bosses (C...) was tied up with the accountant that day.

Wednesday night I recieved a similar call sayig prob mo work tilk Monday.

Over the weekend wad told to meet Monday and all would be explained.

Monday met on a job to be told would no longet be going to that Job as it was tied up with the ex partner. Told that Horsham Building and Renovation Supplies would no longer be paying my wages. Cant remember the exact words but to the effect that the company no longer exists.

That said I have unpaid holiday pay, 9 hours sick pay i was never paid and i presume some orher entitlements. I still have not recieved a group certificate and dont kow if they have been paying my taxes.

So the up shot. 'C' had offered me casual work on a need basis. The pay when you factor in being a contractor over being on wages means I am on 1/2 pay if I accept his offer.

Will be seriously looking at working for myself and watching the net for any other jobs that may be out there.

Thanks for all the info you have shared. I am trying to negotiate what is owed and if this fails will have to look at other avenues.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into ArtHi Dave

looks like it's time to lodge a claim with Horsham Building and Renovation Supplies for your entitlements.
unpaid wages,
unpaid sick leave,
pay in lieu of notice,
redundancy pay,
unpaid superannuation,
travel expenses to the job on Monday,
wages for the days you were directed not to come in

don't be shy with your claim or settle for less than 100%
By the sound of things, there's no money left in the company so it'll be I and other tax payers footing the bill.


Re-read the stuff on Fair Entitlements on the process you need to follow.
I'm guessing that "C's" accountant is acting as the liquidator.

Don't worry about the missing Group Certificate or unpaid PAYE tax, that's a problem for the business and the ATO.
a common reason for a business going bust is the business doesn't have the cash needed to pay the ATO.
However, a call to the ATO to ask what should you do in respect to your tax return and super contributions would be well worthwhile.


If the other partner has taken over the jobs, is there a possibility of working for that partner?


best wishes for the future

[Simplicity]

What he said

[DaveTTC]

'C' is the one who is still taking on jobs and wants me to work for nix.

There is work and its better than the doll and better than nothing but Im worth more.

Dave TTC
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[KBs PensNmore]

Tell him you'll work for him once all your back pay, redundancy etc have been paid up. If he's expecting you to work for under the minimum wage, go to the authorities and dob him in. Once all your entitlements have been paid and he's expecting you to work for almost nix, tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine, and do handyman work like someone else suggested, you get paid at the end of the job/day, and you're home with the littlies.
Kryn

[ian]

'C' is the one who is still taking on jobs and wants me to work for nix.

There is work and its better than the doll and better than nothing but Im worth more.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art
sounds like a potential phoenix company

[rwbuild]

Dave, you know the wrong things that you were expected to turn a blind eye to when they were a partnership, guess what, leopards don't change their spots, their both tarred with the same brush, 'C's' offer tells you all this. Do what ever it takes to get your entitlements and in the meantime get your own license in order and be your own master or go as a subby for one of the bigger project builders till you get on your feet a bit more, heaven knows, you need a better run than you have had.

I think you will find that everything is a $2 company and everything is in someone else's name and there is nothing you can do about it.

[Simplicity]

Hi Dave
Just wondering how things are panning out for you

Matt

[DaveTTC]

Interesting to say the least. 'C' had a go at me today because i dared question him. Doing a bathroom reno and he gave me silicon to waterproof the vilaboard behind a shower. He wanted me to just run a bead down the internals and not even tape any of the joints to the new boards.

I happen to know what he quoted and rough expenditure. Over and above all expenses including wages he stands to make 2.5 K maybe 3. When i said to his wife that he lied about not making mory on the job and there should be waterproofing before the tiling is done he went off in major way.

Yes Im looking at going alone.

Dave TTC
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[rwbuild]

Get out before you are made the scapegoat. Tell the client to get inspectors to have a look at the job before its too late or dob him in yourself. He will lie and say you didn't do as you were instructed. He's lying to the client, to his wife and giving the industry a bad name. Don't forget the photos !

[DaveTTC]

My stand today led to waterproofing being delivered. I let the client know that it should be done and that I may not be back due to standing up for what was right. I got a foul reception from 'C' but respect and appreciation from the client.

They even rung me after work to see what went down after I saw my boss at the end of the day. I will get excellent word of mouth from them

Dave TTC
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[rwbuild]

Good one ! :2tsup::2tsup::2tsup:

[Simplicity]

Dave just walk away

[DaveTTC]

Dave just walk away
Just gotta get some of machinery out of their shed and then I can

Dave TTC
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[Simplicity]

Excellent

[rustynail]

Dave, if the partnership has been dissolved and one partner is continuing on, it means his income has just increased by 100%. How come he is offering reduced wages?
These guys sound pretty dodgy to me. If you have been working on these jobs alone, you stand a good chance of being made a scapegoat for dodgy work practices should and when they arise. Half pay is fine....for half the work. When a boss expects you to work for less (half), he has no respect for you. He won't care less what position he places you in, provided he's OK.
Time to take action and hit the frogandtoad.
Good luck. Shame you're are not up our way, I could keep you busy for a while.

[Bushmiller]

Dave

Just seen this thread and your plight. Very sorry to hear about it. However some good general advice being thrown your way. I hope something will come up for you.

Regards
Paul

[DaveTTC]

Very pleasant evening had with simplicity and his other half tonight. They shared some of their experience and strategies for running a business, pricing etc.

Dave TTC
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[Oldgreybeard]

Hi Dave,
I've been O/S on holiday and just catching up with what is happening on the forum. So sorry to hear what has happened.
I hope that things work out for you sooner rather than later - Keep us informed and good luck

Bob

[DaveTTC]

Thanks Bob

Hope you had a great trip. I have landed some harvest work but up in Sydney doing some work for my SIL atm while we intern his ashes and I get in a GTG at Katoomba.

Will likely go out on ky own in the mew year if nothing else comes up

Dave TTC
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[DaveTTC]

Well i had some harvest work and thought it would last me thru till Christmas. Poor harvest and upon my return a business which can support a dozen blokes and more in a good year is struggling to keep 3
Out front of job agency waiting for them to open. 7 minutes to go but who's counting

Dave TTC
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[Bob38S]

Only came across this thread over the weekend, can't do much to help unfortunately but I certainly am supporting you in spirit.

Not wishing to get soppy, but Dave, you have come across as what I call a "doer" not a talker, you are not afraid to get your hands dirty nor do you appear to be afraid of hard work.

I would just like to add to the positive thoughts of the previous posters and say "stick with your principles " and karma has taught me in the past that the good bits will come, it does take time but I'm sure you will be an asset to whoever takes you on.

[DaveTTC]

Thx Bob

Just filled out some paperwork and went back to see a guy who is out of the office. He was still out. Not going home today till I have seen him. Got a family to feed and not wanti g to ever be back on centrelink

Dave TTC
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[DaveTTC]

Picked up 4 hrs building work this arvo and got a days work tomorrow.

Waiting to hear back from the job centre. He reckons there could be some stuff for me


Dave TTC
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[KBs PensNmore]

Thanks for the update Dave.
Kryn

[DaveTTC]

got a couple of big days in Melbourne this week, that'll pay a few bills and then a good weeks up in Sydney the following. Will come close to seeing us through till Christmas

Dave TTC
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