newbie attempting to construct sliding doors sydney northern beaches

[jimles]

Hi all
Thought id tap into the wealth of knowledge out there on wwf.
I do a bit of construction mostly small renovations part time but am attempting to build my own house.
I may have bitten off more than i can chew but recently purchased a Festool Domino xl with the aim of building 2 sets of sliding doors spanning 4.5m @ 2.4m high glass infilled.
Plan on having 3 doors stack 1 on a heavy roller track bottom weighted.
Being in a bush fire zone it has to be constructed from Hardwood.
What i was wondering is firstly- what species and where would i source stable and straight H/W from suitable for door construction.
secondly- recommendations for glues to use when clamping the styles together.
Cheers Jim

[DaveTTC]

Rwbuild would be a good one to help with sourcing materials and building the doors.

Off the top of my head I'd say tite bond 3 but happy to be corrected.


Welcome aboard. Start a build thread and load heaps of pics


Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[rwbuild]

http://harpertimber.com.au/resources/timber-in-bushfire-prone-areas.php

or Merbau which will probably be cheaper.

Tite bond is good or epoxy, Suggest loose tenons for joining or better still, twin mortice & tenon for joints if the top and bottom rails are wide enough

Thanks Dave, but Im sure there will be others just as qualified to comment

[Pittwater Pete]

Hi Jim.
Welcome to the forum.

Another timber to consider would be Blackbutt.

You could happily use your Domino Machine but I would strongly suggest that you use epoxy to glue. I use Techniglue a lot and it never lets me down. Epoxy is extremely waterproof, strong and will gap fill around your dominos to create a long lasting joint. I agree with RWBuild that a full haunched and wedged mortice and tenon is better, but more difficult if you've never done it before. Hope this helps.

[jimles]

Thanks for your advice guys.
I have been recommended merbau by others which i understand to be not as oily as other hardwoods like spotted gum and tend to glue better.
Advice sorted on how to either limit seepage of tannins or to accelerate seepage as greyed timber looks fine.
I have also been recommended Purbond but have had no experience with yet.
I would love to have the Knowledge patience and time to attempt wedged mortice and tenons but it might be a little beyond me and have purchased the domino (framing gun for novice joiners)
which I intend to apply a few to each joint. The doors being bottom load bearing on stainless rollers should minimise the stress on these joints as they wont be swung off a jamb.
cheers jim

[old1955]

Welcome to the forum Jim.

[Pittwater Pete]

Good on you Jim. Keep us informed of your progress and post a few pics.

[ian]

Hi all
Thought id tap into the wealth of knowledge out there on wwf.
I do a bit of construction mostly small renovations part time but am attempting to build my own house.
I may have bitten off more than i can chew but recently purchased a Festool Domino xl with the aim of building 2 sets of sliding doors spanning 4.5m @ 2.4m high glass infilled.
Plan on having 3 doors stack 1 on a heavy roller track bottom weighted.
Being in a bush fire zone it has to be constructed from Hardwood.
What i was wondering is firstly- what species and where would i source stable and straight H/W from suitable for door construction.
secondly- recommendations for glues to use when clamping the styles together.
Cheers JimHi Jim and welcome

some questions if I may.
the doors will be around 1500 wide by 2400 high and full glass except for the frames ?
the glass will be double or triple glazing and/or fire rated ?
the doors frames will be about 100mm wide ?
they will run on a steel track and be guided at the top with rollers or glides ?
the finished doors need to be BCA compliant ?

[jimles]

No problems Ian
Correct, I was hoping to build the to around those dimensions.
probably using a wider bottom rail and top rail around 200mm.
Was hoping to use toughened glass about 6mm single glazed .
fully loaded on bottom rail and guided from above.
I managed to get The Bush fire attack level (BAL) to 12.5 for above the deck level
so I think there is no real requirements other than hardwood.
They will need to comply to something as a certifier will have to pass the build.
Haven't looked too much into compliance but maybe I might need to. Any advice?

[ian]

I managed to get The Bush fire attack level (BAL) to 12.5 for above the deck level.
so I think there is no real requirements other than hardwood.
They will need to comply to something as a certifier will have to pass the build.
Haven't looked too much into compliance but maybe I might need to.
I suggest you look into what the compliance requirements are before you progress too much further.
It would be heart breaking to install a set of beautiful self made doors and then have the certifier knock them back for want of a proper compliance certificate.


Dr Google return these

https://www.awa.org.au/documents/item/174

http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/plan-and-prepare/building-in-a-bush-fire-area/bush-fire-protection-measures/building-construction-and-design

http://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/4399/Planning-for-Bush-Fire-Protection-2006-Chapter-4.pdf

[jimles]

Cheers ian will study up

[Christos]

Welcome to the forum.

[JJF]

Welcome to the forum

[Perfect Pens]

G'day Jim,

Welcome to the forums

Cheers
Tony

[crowie]

G'Day & Welcome to a top forum "Jim".
There are a stack of members in Sydney and surrounds plus the rest of the country.....
You'll find a heap of helpful & knowledgeable blokes & ladies on the forum and for most very willing to assist.
Looks like they're already on the job, well done all!!!
Make sure you show off your handiwork as everyone loves a photo, especially WIP [Work In Progress] photos with build notes.
Enjoy the forum.
Enjoy your woodwork......
Cheers crowie

PS - Keep an eye out for a get together at Katoomba for the Sydney area forum members....great way to met & make friends..