Just so I know

[Twisted Tenon]

So if I post a newspaper article without using caps or yelling at some one, it is shut down and no reason given? Is it the topic? It fits the criteria -Nothing to do with woodwork- and is respectful.......

TT
Damn the torpedoes

[snowyskiesau]

When a moderator has given their opinion, the thread is closed - apparently.
The other thread on the ABC/terrorism is of course what I'm referring to.

[AlexS]

Mods, Like the speaker Bronwyn Bishop, don't have to be impartial.

[Twisted Tenon]

Yep. A bit of Yelling and Strong personal opinions. It's the stuff free people do. I love it. Don't always agree with it but am not afraid of it either...

TT

Damn the torpedoes.

[Big Shed]

When a moderator has given their opinion, the thread is closed - apparently.
The other thread on the ABC/terrorism is of course what I'm referring to.

Geoff, as I said in my first post in that thread it would be closed if it went off topic, and way off topic it went.


Mods, Like the speaker Bronwyn Bishop, don't have to be impartial.

I have read the rules of this forum quite a few times, and haven't seen anything about Mods having to be impartial, they just have to keep the forum running smoothly.

I might add I don't look a bit like good ol Bronwyn. :no:


Yep. A bit of Yelling and Strong personal opinions. It's the stuff free people do. I love it. Don't always agree with it but am not afraid of it either...

TT

Damn the torpedoes.

TT, this forum doesn't mind a bit of shouting, nor do I, but when one person takes it upon himself to take a thread totally off topic that is a different matter.

I was the Mod who Closed the thread thread you put up to stop the same happening there.
I could easily have deleted it but didn't.

Basically, the Admins and Mods are here to make sure that this forum runs smoothly and as such they reserve the right to edit, delete or close any thread or post to ensure that happens.

[FenceFurniture]

Geoff, as I said in my first post in that thread it would be closed if it went off topic, and way off topic it went.

TT, this forum doesn't mind a bit of shouting, nor do I, but when one person takes it upon himself to take a thread totally off topic that is a different matter.

I was the Mod who Closed the thread thread you put up to stop the same happening there.
But not before you posted your own last comment which was just as off-topic as you say any of the others were:
"I agree with you, I also would like to see the ABC return to reporting the news, not trying to make the news, as so many media organisations now seem to think that is their job.

Unfortunately under their current director, Mark Scott, they have become a shadow of their former selves."

Personally I didn't see any of the comments, including yours, as being far enough off-topic to be classified as such. Discussions are fluid things and various related elements are relevant and should be given air.

In a similar way you closed down one of my threads a few weeks ago because you said it would be if it continued to go off-topic. I replied that as the original poster I didn't think that where the discussion was going was off-topic, and was happy with it. So you shut it down because I disagreed with you, again with the last comment of "So be it".

[Twisted Tenon]

I was the Mod who Closed the thread thread you put up to stop the same happening there.
I could easily have deleted it but didn't.

Basically, the Admins and Mods are here to make sure that this forum runs smoothly and as such they reserve the right to edit, delete or close any thread or post to ensure that happens.

So closing a thread because it might? go off topic is a bit prescient isn't it?

TT

[AlexS]

i have read the rules of this forum quite a few times, and haven't seen anything about mods having to be impartial, they just have to make sure they shut down anything that isn't in line with their own opinion.fify

[Big Shed]

So closing a thread because it might? go off topic is a bit prescient isn't it?

TT

No TT, I didn't close your thread because it might go off topic, where did I say that?

I closed it because would re-start the whole debate again and quite frankly what needed to be said had been said and more.

It wasn't deleted, just closed for further comment.

You may also observe that this thread hasn't been closed, yet.

[Big Shed]

fify

Alex, you need to get over the fact that one of your "jokes" was deleted.

Yours wasn't the first, and it won't be the last.

[FenceFurniture]

No TT, I didn't close your thread because it might go off topic, where did I say that?Right here:

but when one person takes it upon himself to take a thread totally off topic that is a different matter.

I was the Mod who Closed the thread thread you put up to stop the same happening there

[AlexS]

Fred, my comment had nothing to do with one of my jokes being deleted. I'd forgotten it, and would have thought you had too.

I was just struck by the coincidence that the thread was closed immediately after you had posted your opinion.

As I said once before, your sandpit, your rules.

[Big Shed]

Fred, my comment had nothing to do with one of my jokes being deleted. I'd forgotten it, and would have thought you had too.

I was just struck by the coincidence that the thread was closed immediately after you had posted your opinion.

As I said once before, your sandpit, your rules.

No Alex, as I said before, not my sandpit and not my rules.

Just trying to do a (sometimes thankless) job.

[Evanism]

I'm not the least bit upset.

It was just a blood warming chat for a cold day :D

After all, I'm here for the woodworking talk.... The other stuff is good flavouring.

[Sawdust Maker]

...
I might add I don't look a bit like good ol Bronwyn. :no:
...


So you've given up the beehive hairdo?

[yvan]

So you've given up the beehive hairdo?

Nar....I imagine no beehive hairdo, but a really thick hide http://d1r5wj36adg1sk.cloudfront.net/images/smilies/standard/biggrin.gif

yvan

[Dareen]

Who would be a moderator ??? You're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.!!!

Seems like more and more angst coming into these posts.

Happy and positive beats all that.

Cheers, Fred

[Bedford]

Who would be a moderator ??? You're dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.!!!

Quoted for truth.

Keep in mind that the Mods also have to act on or at least investigate any reported posts that are made, as this thread was.

It is NOT always an individual Mods decision................

[A Duke]

I'm not the least bit upset.

It was just a blood warming chat for a cold day :D

After all, I'm here for the woodworking talk.... The other stuff is good flavouring.Hi,
And it is even colder here today :o
Regards

[Bushmiller]

Quoted for truth.

Keep in mind that the Mods also have to act on or at least investigate any reported posts that are made, as this thread was.

It is NOT always an individual Mods decision................

Bedford

Ain't that the truth. Let me begin by saying that the moderators job is an invidious one that personally I would not want at any price let alone unpaid.

It is clearly a thankless task, but I thank all of you who perform this duty as it provides a hugely enjoyable platform for conversation normally amongst like-minded people. Perhaps I should say similarly-minded people as we rarely agree on aspects.

In some ways, without wanting to sound too much like Paul Keating, this is the thread we had to have to clear up some issues, which in my view have been festering below the surface for some while.

I respect the moderators right to intervene and at times I applaud such actions. At other times I have despaired. Of course this is a subjective view. Clearly it is only right that abusive behaviour, lapses into the vernacular, defamatory remarks and other libelous comments should be significantly restricted or removed. I haven't read the Forum rules for quite a while now, but the last time I did, they were quite explicit.

There is another Forum, not related to Ubeaut, for those people who wish to indulge in that style of behaviour.

But none of that is my source of complaint. It is that the moderating should not reflect the personal views of the moderator. If we extended that line of thinking to other sub forums we would see all chain saws deleted except Husqvarna, because the moderator didn't like Sthil or any other brand.

Or in the hand tool section suddenly Stanley doesn't get a look in because the moderator is a Lie Nielsen fan.

Of course we all digress a little and go off topic. I would be one of the worst offenders in that regard, but still it is not cause to shut down a thread.

In the thread which has prompted this discussion and which I started, "Terrorism on the ABC," there were clearly a number of questions that were provoked by that statement and I went on to question the agenda by the government in adopting the attitude it has taken. I don't believe anybody stepped outside that framework in their response.

I did note few people seemed to be on the government's side in this debate except the moderator, who apparently shut down the thread when he couldn't get agreement.

I accept there was some "robust" comment, but no obscene language and after all we are, or I thought we were, adults. Certainly our discussion and indeed our comment was no less farcical than the antics we see in parliamentary debate and we pay for that (in many ways).

I don't object to moderators participating in discussion: On the contrary, I welcome it as they are amongst the more senior and more knowledgeable on the Forum. I would prefer that they don't use their power of veto to curtail threads that conflict with their own views.

My final comment is that we should take a long hard look at the title of this section of the Forum.

"Nothing at all to do with Woodwork."

Respectfully
Paul

[DaveTTC]

I thought i had read the thread in question. I read the warning too. There were different views as one would expect.

I found it eye opening with details I was unaware. Personally it did not seem to go off topic bit that was my point of view.

A mods job is a tough one and they will by nature be effected by their point of view rightly or wrongly.

It is hard to know a persons intent in posting and what is truth and not at times.

My guess is topics not related to the workshop ate the ones most often closed. Sometimes they are real interesting ones too.

Im thankful for this forum and the work that goes in it and that even when a thread is closed sometimes it is allowed to resurface even if ammended.

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Twisted Tenon]

It is hard to know a persons intent in posting and what is truth and not at times.

Dave that is a very good point. I've posted in another tool related forum that the written word is one dimensional, so all the vital clues as to the tone and subtleties of the message can get lost (even with smiley faces :rolleyes:. So when some people post something with enthusiasm or eagerness, it can be interpreted by others as "aggressive" "rude" or "off topic".

Maybe some of the people who have reported the thread, or even the moderator could have first asked "What do you think I meant by .......?"

I cannot add to Paul's thoughtful contribution but thoroughly agree with it.

TT

[Bedford]

Let me begin by saying that the moderators job is an invidious one that personally I would not want at any price let alone unpaid.

Well I think if you're not prepared to do the job at any price, you shouldn't judge those who do...........

[DaveTTC]

I dont usually get into multi quotes of who said what and their intent however


Bedford


It is clearly a thankless task, but I thank all of you who perform this duty as it provides a hugely enjoyable platform for conversation normally amongst like-minded people. Perhaps I should say similarly-minded people as we rarely agree on aspects.

.....

"Nothing at all to do with Woodwork."

Respectfully
Paul

Paul seems a perfect gentleman to me. He thanks and appriciates the mods with acknowledgment of what they do

Well I think if you're not prepared to do the job at any price, you shouldn't judge those who do...........
I dont think think he was judging in a way that you seem to suggest

Dave TTC
Turning Wood Into Art

[Paulyboy1960]

Very well put Paul/Bushmiller. A lot of thought and consideration went into that post.

[Evanism]

Bushmillers response was excellent. I thank him.

For the others, I wasn't making any points on religion, supporting any political side or even debating the nature of Q&A.... I put up facts. Indisputable facts. The law.

Yes, I was strident. But the politics of repression needs strident discussion - and with the laws we have, any government can do as I said. The lessons are replete in history and the argument of "its different here/this time" are lost on me.

I think I'll follow, but not comment from now on with things like this.

[rustynail]

Dont be fooled for a moment. There are many people who derive great satisfaction from being in positions of power.