Consistent supply of 4x2 hardwood! (blackbutt)

[Jaff]

Hey guys, I have a readily available supply of recycled hardwood - mostly 4x2's. Before I commit myself with the timber I wanted to know if anyone would be genuinely interested in buying some. I've checked out the general pricing for these, and I would place at around $3-4.50, depending on whether or not I de-nail the lot. Is this a fair price? Are many people actually keen on buying recycled 4x2 hardwood? This wouldn't be a one off gumtree thing either, I have a fairly continuous supply of this timber! I'm keen to hear your opinions! Anyone from the Illawarra let me know your thoughts as well, since this is where I'll be operating from. Thanks!

[fletty]

Hi Jaff,
I would be interested but haven't considered a price yet. I've been trialling a range of furniture made from recycled material and denailed blackbutt, holes 'n all, would be ideal. Wollongong is very handy for me.
fletty

[Evanism]

I absolutely adore recycled hardwood's.

The trick, if there is one, is a VERY good hand held metal detector and a monster rare earth magnet. You wave this over any suspicious holes, even the metal detected negatives, the very big magnet gives your hand a little tug every time! ah-ha! Disaster averted. :)

The big ones are very cheap on aliexpress. I've two that are 2cm cubes. Super Danger Will Robinson, but awesome at detected hidden lurgies. Absolutely ferrous-cious. :B:doh::roll:

The price is good... $3 is better :)

[Jaff]

Hey Fletty, how many meters would you be interested in? I'm curious because I'm considering restricting orders to a minimum of 50m, so I can shift the timber quickly, and also provide cheaper prices for bulk lots. Would you find this restrictive/annoying? I'm sure this would suit guys pumping out furniture on a regular basis, but I also want to be accommodating for the hobbyist and everyone else in between!

Also, would you prefer to pay a bit more for de-nailed, or less to do the work yourself? I know from experience when I've bought "de-nailed", i've clipped some nails! So the extra expense wasn't worth it. If I was to do it, I would definitely make sure there were none.

Evanism, why didn't I look on aliexpress for rare earth magnets before!? The only ones I could find locally were from an electronics store. They were $25 for 6 and only 5mm in diameter! These ones on aliexpress are monsters for half the price! :doh: I asked the guys at gasweld about metal detectors and its effectiveness, let's say his response was.. negative. I think I'll still buy one though.

[FenceFurniture]

To be specific, I assume you are talking $3 per lineal metre (un-denailed)?

[Jaff]

FenceFurniture, I still have to figure out pricing, so it might be around that price per lineal meter. This all depends on how many lineal meters you would want though. Obviously 10 lineal meters will be a little more expensive per lineal meter than 100. Pricing will increase on top of this if I decided to de-nail.

In saying this, would you prefer cheaper, un-denailed timber, or more expensive, denailed timber?

[cava]

I am not in the market for hardwood in the quantities that you would like to sell.

However, if I had to buy and as a hobbyist, I would prefer timber with nails so that I could be assured that any de-nailing I did would not leave any unforeseen surprises.

[FenceFurniture]

FenceFurniture, I still have to figure out pricing, so it might be around that price per lineal meter. This all depends on how many lineal meters you would want though. Obviously 10 lineal meters will be a little more expensive per lineal meter than 100. Pricing will increase on top of this if I decided to de-nail.

In saying this, would you prefer cheaper, un-denailed timber, or more expensive, denailed timber?I've got me a nail kicker (http://nailkicker.com/index.html), and it kicks butt, so, ahem, I reckon it'll kick your be ok with your timber :D

[pjt]

I have used recycled 4x2 before and would do again, but I'm too far away tho for this lot. The $3/m is not too bad.
Hi Brett, Does that denailer punch the nail through as opposed to pulling it out? It looks pretty good.



Pete

[Jaff]

Haha, I reckon your right about that! But yeah, I think cheap and cheerful is best for everyone! I'll let you guys de-nail to ensure it's done properly though. Anyway, I'm keen to get this rolling in the next few months. I'll update on availability, price etc, etc soon. Cheers guys!

[Jaff]

Cheers for the feedback Pete!

[FenceFurniture]

Hi Brett, Does that denailer punch the nail through as opposed to pulling it out? It looks pretty good.Hi Pete

It's a cracker actually, but not cheap. You can adjust the punching mechanism to (and this is from memory) 1/8", 3/8" 3/4". The low setting is to punch nails just below the surface. When it's on 3/4" you put the sleeve over the pointy end of the nail, and if it's bent then use that to straighten it, and blow it out head first (i.e. like pulling a nail out). You can go the other way if necessary and just keep punching the nail through, but that will cause blowout depending on the timber (Cypress is BAD for it). To reduce the blowout a sacrificial piece with a nail head sized hole works reasonably well (but is tricky to register over the hole because you can't see). A piece of steel with a hole would be even cleaner, but again rego is difficult, and possibly more problematic with steel (preventing the head from moving).

The first time I used it was on a skew nail through Douglas Fir, and the nail was oriented (not deliberately) to be angled towards the sheet metal wall of the bench:

"PHUTT DING!" followed by a shout of laughter and foraging for the nail. It works!

Have successfully pushed out hundreds and hundreds of nails from 60 year old very nasty hardwood (much of it red). They didn't always come right out (rusty) and then there was some easy work with a Jimmy Bar to remove them. Then run around the yard with a magnetic pick up to get all the flyers. Best thing to do is hold the timber over a bucket with some shavings in it (to stop the nails bouncing out). As the bucket fills the contents tends to stop the nails bouncing out.

It came with a 4mm head (perfect for 3" nails, and I also got a 6mm head.

[NCArcher]

We are going to need a demo at the next GTG. :yes:

[FenceFurniture]

We are going to need a demo at the next GTG. :yes:No worries. Bring along a butt to be kicked and I'll sort it out.

[pjt]

Hi Pete

It's a cracker actually, but not cheap. You can adjust the punching mechanism to (and this is from memory) 1/8", 3/8" 3/4". The low setting is to punch nails just below the surface. When it's on 3/4" you put the sleeve over the pointy end of the nail, and if it's bent then use that to straighten it, and blow it out head first (i.e. like pulling a nail out). You can go the other way if necessary and just keep punching the nail through, but that will cause blowout depending on the timber (Cypress is BAD for it). To reduce the blowout a sacrificial piece with a nail head sized hole works reasonably well (but is tricky to register over the hole because you can't see). A piece of steel with a hole would be even cleaner, but again rego is difficult, and possibly more problematic with steel (preventing the head from moving).

The first time I used it was on a skew nail through Douglas Fir, and the nail was oriented (not deliberately) to be angled towards the sheet metal wall of the bench:

"PHUTT DING!" followed by a shout of laughter and foraging for the nail. It works!

Have successfully pushed out hundreds and hundreds of nails from 60 year old very nasty hardwood (much of it red). They didn't always come right out (rusty) and then there was some easy work with a Jimmy Bar to remove them. Then run around the yard with a magnetic pick up to get all the flyers. Best thing to do is hold the timber over a bucket with some shavings in it (to stop the nails bouncing out). As the bucket fills the contents tends to stop the nails bouncing out.

It came with a 4mm head (perfect for 3" nails, and I also got a 6mm head.

Cheers Brett,
Certainly sounds like it's the goods. Could have done with it more than once or twice.


Pete

[fletty]

Hey Fletty, how many meters would you be interested in? I'm curious because I'm considering restricting orders to a minimum of 50m, so I can shift the timber quickly, and also provide cheaper prices for bulk.

Hi Jaff, I've always wanted to say this......it depends!
if I get the product/business off the ground, lots of 50 m would be good. Some of the items need 30 m of 'selected' timber and I normally get that from about 40m of 'as delivered'?

fletty

[fletty]

I've got me a nail kicker (http://nailkicker.com/index.html), and it kicks butt, so, ahem, I reckon it'll kick your be ok with your timber :D

Just found this....

http://www.cordlessdrillnailpuller.com

I bet they paid a marketing consultant a bag full of money to come up with this snappy name for a cordless drill powered nail puller?

fletty

[crowie]

Just found this....

http://www.cordlessdrillnailpuller.com

I bet they paid a marketing consultant a bag full of money to come up with this snappy name for a cordless drill powered nail puller?

fletty

Okay idea Alan but to make that big hole in the timber to allow the puller access onto the nail seems a backward step!!

[FenceFurniture]

My good man, I have watched 40 seconds of the two minutes before closing the tab. In the time that it takes him to get one out I'd have kicked his butt severely and had anything up to ten or fifteen nails blown out. As for the counterbore thing doodat - there's a chronic waste of timber happening there.

Furthermore, instead of a whirling power drill sound, which is as common as anything, you get a very satisfyling
Phutt DING (but the "ding" is dependent on what or who you aim it at)

Repeat after me (numerous times):
Slip the butt kicker sleeve over the bent nail
Straighten it (more or less will do)
Blow the crap out of it into a bucket
Rinse & repeat
Rinse & repeat
Rinse & repeat
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[FenceFurniture]

This morning I managed to score two car loads of 75x35 pine from a renovation. Lengths from 600 to 1800, and plenty of them. I would have scored it yesterday but that was Spinner's Day here in Katoomba (aka Winter Magic Festival to celebrate the winter solstice), and I'd have had to run over too many hippies, hippos, weirdos and all other manifest of spinners.

Nails sticking out everywhere in clusters of up to 4.

I'll time how long it takes to do "x" number of nails, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something like 2 seconds per MAX excluding stick changing time.

Maybe I'll even shoot a video, but I have software problems with my POS P&S camera atm.

[fletty]

I have watched 40 seconds ....
Rinse & repeat
Rinse & repeat


you missed the best bit...the HUGE counterbore to get at it?

RINSE??

fletty

[FenceFurniture]

Nah, saw at least 2 seconds of the counterbore - that was what made me close the tab.

[MrPete]

Holy cow! Where was that nail kicker when I was de-nailing my old floorboards?!?!?!

Wonder if I can fit one into the reno budget anyways...

[FenceFurniture]

I did about half of Saturdays score this arvo. It takes about 1 second per nail - the slow bit is slipping the sheath over the nail. Including gathering and changing the sticks I must have blown out ~400 nails in about 60 minutes. There were more plaster board screws than nails to unscrew but there were plenty of nails in each stick......

[MrPete]

You're not helping my financial situation here...

Did you order directly off these guys or through something like amazon?

[FenceFurniture]

With apologies to Jaff for an extended sidetrack.....

I ordered direct from them. I didn't bother get it sent to my Shipito address as the freight was pretty reasonable. Their service was excellent.

[hiroller]

Hi Brett, What model Nail Kicker did you buy?
I see there are a bunch of sizes available.

[FenceFurniture]

v20 with 4mm and 6mm heads.

[Sir Stinkalot]

Hi Jaff ..... what sort of lengths are you able to get your hands on?

[spencer411]

Hey jaff if you could get it to wa I think I'd be pretty interested! Could you find out a cubic meter rate and additional cost for shipping?

[gable2]

I would be interested but haven't considered a price yet. I've been trialling a range of furniture made from recycled material and denailed blackbutt, holes 'n all, would be ideal. Wollongong is very handy for me.

[iamsamiam]

Hey Jaff,

I know it was last year but, how did you go?
If you are set up and in the 'Thrillawarra' let me know, I'm after some recycled timber for a kitchen bench top and Blackbutt would be good.

Cheers
Sam

[Graham99]

Hi there

I may also be interested in the blackbutt, as I am looking to make two bench tops for a laundry. Unfortunately it would be around 40 lineal meters all up. Open to paying more for denailing if the service is available.

Regards
Graham

[crowie]

Just a thought gents as this thread seems old with little response from the originator [apologies if I'm in error],
but you could look at Recycled Timbers at Warragamba who do old telegraph poles which are Australian Hardwood..

Recycled Timber Supplies Sydney, Recycled Timber Beams, Timber Supplies (http://www.recycledtimbers.com.au/)

[Chris Parks]

Or here Reborn Timber - Recycled Timber \ About Us (http://www.reborntimber.com/home.html)

I think they are near Wilton but the web site has no address.

[Xanthorrhoeas]

My local Brisbane recycled timber supplier (The Big Red Shed at Darra) (no financial or other connection - just an occasional purchaser) complains that all the good old bridge and other recyclable timbers etc. go down south to you "Mexicans" so that they are scratching for supplies (still have a rack though, just not being refreshed so not as much choice as I would like). If they are correct that would suggest that you should be able to find good supplies fairly easily?