What's wrong with kids today?

[silentC]

I've been listening to Triple J for the last couple of weeks as a bit of a change from Radio National. Actually, until recently I couldn't pick JJJ up in my office. Someone must have cut down a tree or demolished a tall building somewhere.

According to their website, triple j (must be spelled with lower case letters these days - easier to type in SMS messages) is "Australia's youth radio station", so it would be fair to say that the music they play is representative of the tastes of the 'yoof' in this country.

I was a JJJ listener years ago, back when capital letters were still cool. I remember lots of great and not so great music from all genres. These days, they tend to play the same set of songs all the time. Not a day goes by where I don't hear Radio/Video, Doorbell, Candy and so on.

Now some of these have quite catchy tunes but one thing I have noticed is that, without an exception, they are all incredibly repetitive. One song for example consists pretty much of the words:

Hey man, look at me rockin out, I'm on the radio
Hey man, look at me rockin out, I'm on the video
repeat...

They take me away from the strangest places
Sweet Danny and Lisa they take me away
repeat...

By all accounts this is a very popular song. You have to conclude from this that the 'yoof' don't demand much in the way of meaning from their music and the more repetitive the lyrics and the beat, the happier they are. Some of these songs don't even have a chorus, fer chrissake.

No wonder attention spans are a thing of the past.

[Daddles]

Sounds like the youf aren't any different to what we were like (eh Neil, we need a 'grumpy old bugga' smilie)

Richard

[knucklehead]

SilentC hurry the "antique roadshow" is starting on radio national !!!!!

My radio dial never (never ever) left JJJ until recently. Now they really aren't that much better than the comercial FM stations. The only thing that keeps me going back to JJJ is that the ads on the other stations drive me nuts!

[bitingmidge]

When I was a yoof, there was this song called "Mashed Potato"

It went something like:

Mashed Potato
yeah,

Yeah

yeah

YEAH

YEAH

Mashed Potato

Yeah

...... ... ..Repeat (about 12 times).

Now there was true poetry for ya, I've been finkin about the meaning for years, I wonder if my kids can help?

P


:D

[silentC]

The commercial stations down here (Power FM and 2EC) I wouldn't give the time of day. Way too many ads and too, too much of what they call 'R&B', which ain't R&B. I switched on to ABC to listen to the cricket last year and just stayed with it, although I went across to Radio National because I was getting a lot of static interference.

BTW I opened my radio up and there are wires in it, so why do people call it a 'wireless'?

[Iain]

Please don't flame me but have you tried ABC FM, it's classical I know but at 10.00am you get a one hour interview conducted by Margaret Throsby with an interesting cross section of people from our own and other communities.
5.00pm you get a jazz session for an hour or so.
Thats my choice and I have no complaints.
As for repetition, remember that bloody awful Helen Reddy single from too many years ago, seemed like about about 15 minutes of 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, 'leave me alone, leave me leave'
Then started again, wow, that was talent :(

[silentC]

Now there was true poetry for ya, I've been finkin about the meaning for years, I wonder if my kids can help?
It's about mashed potato of course. Tequila is about tequila, Wipeout is about wiping out, and no-one alive today knows what One Eyed, One Horned, Flying Purple People Eater is about.

[Iain]

no-one alive today knows what One Eyed, One Horned, Flying Purple People Eater is about.
I thought it was the old Ericson telephones that stood on their end combined with a hallucinogenic.............

[silentC]

have you tried ABC FM
I do tune in to that often. People started ribbing me about it when I answered the phone and they could hear Peer Gynt wafting away in the background. "What are you listening to, you old fart, bloody Mozart or somefing" they'd say... It was too much, so I flicked across to jjj to try and get jiggy wiv it (whatever that means) but i don't think it's working...

[Iain]

's choice too :D :D :D
Surprises a few people.
If you really want something different I'll send you some of my geetar work :p

[bitingmidge]

no-one alive today knows what One Eyed, One Horned, Flying Purple People Eater is about.
I s'pose it doesn't matter as long as we're still having fun, sitting in the back seat, hugging and a kissing with Fred

Dee doody doom doom, dee doody doom doom
Dee doody doom doom, doom


Cheers,

P
:D :D

[craigb]

Time to face facts mate.

You're nearly forty, therefore the wrong demographic for tripple bloody jay. :D

Why don't you stream a radio station from the US.

One that plays real R&B for instance. Not the hiphop crap that they call R&B today.

Craig (grumpy old bugger)

[silentC]

Yes, I think you're right. Although my wife reckons I was born a grumpy old man. How would she know, she wasn't there!

So I suppose I'll need to change my Avitar to one similar to yours soon too?

Re. streaming, I'm on ISDN here, would be more of a trickle.

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if a coffee machine can suffer from a urinary tract infection? Mine is having a lot of trouble passing steam at the moment...

[craigb]

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if a coffee machine can suffer from a urinary tract infection? Mine is having a lot of trouble passing steam at the moment...

When was the last time you descaled it?

[Driver]

Darren

Actually the present dearth of anything approaching intelligent popular music is a good omen.

In the UK many years ago, just before the rise of rock n' roll, the Hit Parade (that's what it was called!) was filled with the efforts of people whose names I have - after much effort - managed to obliterate from my memory, singing genuinely inane cr@p. I recall a song that went on about clog-dancing mice (possibly from the other side of the RITFOTU! :eek: ) and that bloody awful 'Tulips From Amsterdam' thing (there's a bit of a Dutch theme to all this, isn't there?)

So, my contention is that, just as in the late 50s and early 60s, all the present cr@p is probably a pre-cursor to a surge of good stuff. We can only hope!

Col

[silentC]

When was the last time you descaled it?
I assumed it had been scaled when I bought it from the fish shop.

[silentC]

So, my contention is that, just as in the late 50s and early 60s, all the present cr@p is probably a pre-cursor to a surge of good stuff. We can only hope!

I've been waiting for that since the 70's!! ;)

[PAH1]

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if a coffee machine can suffer from a urinary tract infection? Mine is having a lot of trouble passing steam at the moment...

Yeah they can, calcium and magnesium carbonates can build up in them, quicker in hard water areas. Mix up 1cup white vinegar with 2 cups water and run that through, followed by about 3 or 4 changes of clean water. You can also buy commercial coffe maker cleaner which is just citric acid.

After having lived in the US I have hated australian radio stations. Where we lived there were something like 10 or so FM stations based in the city and it only had 500,000 people, easy to get variety, anytime you got sick of there was a real alternative ie one that had a completely different play list.

[knucklehead]

Darren

Actually the present dearth of anything approaching intelligent popular music is a good omen.

In the UK many years ago, just before the rise of rock n' roll, the Hit Parade (that's what it was called!) was filled with the efforts of people whose names I have - after much effort - managed to obliterate from my memory, singing genuinely inane cr@p. I recall a song that went on about clog-dancing mice (possibly from the other side of the RITFOTU! :eek: ) and that bloody awful 'Tulips From Amsterdam' thing (there's a bit of a Dutch theme to all this, isn't there?)

So, my contention is that, just as in the late 50s and early 60s, all the present cr@p is probably a pre-cursor to a surge of good stuff. We can only hope!

Col
Lets follow the Brits they can give us the next big wave in music, like mobile phone ring tones!
God help ushttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon4.gif

[craigb]

I assumed it had been scaled when I bought it from the fish shop.

Ho ho.

Seriusly though, you need to clean off the build up of scale regularly. Particularly if your local water supply has a high mineral content.

I use the stuff called CLR that you get from the super.

Works well but make sure you run plenty of water through the machine afterwards.

Don't want to poison yourself. :)

If you haven't cleaned your machine, treat yourself. You'll be pleased with the results.

[silentC]

Ho ho.
Sigh. I'm becoming my father. I can just see me carving the family roast and saying to my wife "do you want stuffing"?

OK, I will do as you say. I'll give the vinegar a go and get the missus to pick up some CLR next time she's at the supermarket.

Is this another sign of getting old, having conversations about coffee machines?

[Driver]

I've been waiting for that since the 70's!! ;)

Yair - good point!

I must say that I don't listen to music on the radio these days. I tend to tune in to Radio National when I'm driving.

[Driver]

Sigh. I'm becoming my father.

That happens, too. I caught myself making incoherent grumpy noises the other day while reading something that irritated me. I looked up to see my kids smiling indulgently at me in exactly the same way I used to smile at the old man when he did it!

[craigb]

Is this another sign of getting old, having conversations about coffee machines?

Yep. :D :D :D :D :D

[Iain]

You Bastards, after 30 odd years I had forgotten about the tap dancing dutch mice...........Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :mad:

[Driver]

You Bastards, after 30 odd years I had forgotten about the tap dancing dutch mice...........Aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :mad:


You're gonna hate me for this .... I've just remembered the other abomination. The one that went on about (wait for it!) ...


Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer .... (complete the line Iain, I dare you! You'll then be doomed to have the bloody thing repeating in your head all day. :eek: But why should I suffer alone? : :p )

[Iain]

Luckily I missed that one but I ggogled, no music thank goodness,
There's a tiny house (there's a tiny house)
By a tiny stream (by a tiny stream),
Where a lovely lass (where a lovely lass)
Had a lovely dream (had a lovely dream),
And her dream came true (and her dream came true)
Quite unexpectedly
In Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea.

She was out one day (she was out one day)
Where the tulips grow (where the tulips grow),
When a handsome lad (when a handsome lad)
Stopped to say hello (stopped to say hello),
And before she knew (and before she knew)
He kissed her tenderly,
In Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea.

The happy pair were married one Sunday afternoon,
They left the church and ran away to spend their honeymoon:

In a tiny house (in a tiny house)
By a tiny stream (by a tiny stream),
Where the lovely lass (where the lovely lass)
Had a lovely dream (had a lovely dream).
And the last I heard (and the last I heard),
They still lived happily
In Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea,
In Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea.

Max: So now you've heard the story of how it all begun,
Boy: I think I'd like to go there,
Max: That's a good idea,
All: Son!

Sing it very soft (sing it very soft),
Pianissimo (pianissimo),
LIke a little bird (like a little bird),
Walking in the snow (walking in the snow):
That was very nice (that was very nice),
Now sing it merrily,
It's Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea,
(Sshh) In Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea,
In Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellen Bogen By The Sea!

For more see http://www.scbd.connectfree.co.uk/flops/gilly-gilly.html

[Driver]

Aaaaaaarrrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!!
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Iain]

Try the link, you'll either laugh at the crap or slash your wrists (option 2 is good I think, I actually recall some of them).

[Driver]

Fortunately I don't have time because I have to go out right now. Later maybe.

[E. maculata]

.. It was too much, so I flicked across to jjj to try and get jiggy wiv it (whatever that means) but i don't think it's working...

I'm Jiggin' disgusted in you Darren, fer crikeys' sake you're the same Jiggin' age as me, and I haven't stopped listening to jjj, even had Jack Thompson on the other morning with "Radios' Jay & the Doctor", up until recently Adam & Will were the morning presenters and I can't tell you how many time Jiggin' Adam Spencer almost made me run off the road in hysterical laughter.
And the Music.... let's just say I have a few of the recent "hottest 100" here at my joint, please don't tell me that our late 70's & 80s stuff was better, cause I still want to throw up at most of it.
And you have my sympathy if you've "lost" your "jigginess"....I've been told ;) viagra helps you find it again.

[Rocker]

I do tune in to that often. People started ribbing me about it when I answered the phone and they could hear Peer Gynt wafting away in the background. "What are you listening to, you old fart, bloody Mozart or somefing" they'd say......

SilentC,

Time to get some more up-market mates - there is nothing wrong with Mozart.

Rocker (Old fart)

[E. maculata]

hey Silent, this made me remember one of the big hits from our youth, the really deep & meaningfull "DA DA DA" by Trio, then there was all the Micky Jackson cwap, the venerable "Rocky burnett jnr" diseased rubbish, et all.
Cripes i can now remember why i listened mostly to "Ska" and fringe punk stuff.
Now Silent take your bloody foot out of that grave and slowly back away whilst maintain eye contact with the headstone, and repeatedly chant, "you are only as young as you feel" grab the keys for your car, throw the board on the racks and tune the radio to double J....sorry triple j break off the tuning knob and head for the best breaks you can find.

[AlexS]

:mad: You bastard Iain. I didn't recognise that song until you posted the whole song - now I can't get it out of my head.

[AlexS]

And while we're on the subject, does anyone know if a coffee machine can suffer from a urinary tract infection? Mine is having a lot of trouble passing steam at the moment...

This will take you to the cause of the problem...it's well known in your area. :D
http://bega.yourguide.com.au/detail...News&class_id=7

[Daddles]

Back in the seventies, a local DJ produced a number of gag singles. One of them was
Thump, thump, bash, bash,
Junior's flamin' jungle music,
Thump, thump, bash, bash,
Junior's flamin' jungle music,

repeated until he had his three minutes up.

Another one was
Back yard barbie,
boogie woogie woogie boo,

but that had real lyrics and a story.

Cheers
Richard

[Stuart]

Personally, I don't have a problem with ads, or repeated songs. I just turn on "Radio iPod", and can listen up to 24 hours a day for a month (well 28.42 days to be exact) without hearing a single repeat :D

[adrian]

I remember the day Double J first started broadcasting. Led Zepplin, Jimi Hendrix, Deep Purple. It was as if they were working their way through my record collection.
Sigh..............those were the days.

[craigb]

I remember the day Double J first started broadcasting.

And for a bonus point, the first song they played was?

[adrian]

And for a bonus point, the first song they played was?
I had to do a google to get that so I don't win. I wasn't a fan of Skyhooks so it wouldn't have registered.

[craigb]

The answer is: "You just like me 'cause I'm good in bed" .

Was considered quite a subversive song in 1975 and was banned on commercial radio I believe. :rolleyes:

How times have changed. :)

[silentC]

I remember the uproar over "Ego is not a dirty word". Jeez our parents were prudes back then, weren't they?

[kiwigeo]

Silent..

I think exactly the same as you when I tune the radio to triple J...but then I remember how my parents must have felt when I came home proudly totting Uriah Heap's "Very Heavy very Humble"....there was fear in their eyes..and rightfully so.

[kiwigeo]

Sigh. I'm becoming my father.


Same here...cant do much about it. One thing Ive observed over the last 47 years is that people generally end up being carbon copies of one of their parents.

[Zed]

whats wrong with kids these days :

nothing a good flogging wouldnt fix. friggin hippies

[ozwinner]

(eh Neil, we need a 'grumpy old bugga' smilie)

Richard
Any good??

http://instagiber.net/smiliesdotcom/cwm/3dlil/nonono2.gif

Al :D

[Grunt]

whats wrong with kids these days :

nothing a good flogging wouldnt fix. friggin hippies


Yup, everyday we should beat everyone who is under 44 years old. Hey we should beat everyone over 45 years old too for they have a lot to answer for leaving the world in such a mess.

[Caliban]

Speaking as one who spends his whole working day with the problem age ones, I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is nothing wrong with today's kids.
Everytime I have a student who is a pain in the class, as soon as I meet their parents the question "why is this kid like this?" is answered. The apple never falls very far from the tree.
I met a kid in the supermarket tonight who used to make my life very difficult and he came up all smiles and handshakes as if we were best buddies. So I guess what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with kids that ten years or so doesn't fix. :D

[Driver]

Speaking as one who spends his whole working day with the problem age ones, I'm going to go out on a limb and say there is nothing wrong with today's kids.
Everytime I have a student who is a pain in the class, as soon as I meet their parents the question "why is this kid like this?" is answered. The apple never falls very far from the tree.
I met a kid in the supermarket tonight who used to make my life very difficult and he came up all smiles and handshakes as if we were best buddies. So I guess what I'm saying is that there is nothing wrong with kids that ten years or so doesn't fix. :D

Jim

A serious response from me. just for a change.

I'm delighted to see that you, as a teacher, haven't turned into a cynical @rsehole. Well done, you've gone some way to help restore the reputation of your profession in my jaundiced opinion.

Teenagers are always a PITA. They can't help it, it's their function in life. My two, whilst quite different from each other, were each a pain between the ages of say 13 and 19. Fortunately they didn't get into any serious trouble and, looking back with the wonderful benefit of hindsight, they were actually not that bad.

Each of them had, and have, mates who rebelled in a serious way. In each of the cases of serious rebellion that I can quickly bring to mind, you can lay the blame for the kids' behaviour squarely on the shoulders of their parents.

Before the rednecks get started - I know that there are some really bad bastards out there who have parents who are models of probity. I'm talking about the kids I knew and know.

Now, as regards musical taste...... where do these modern kids get off .... assaulting my ears and sensibilities with this droning, repetitive cra@p!!!! :mad:

Col

[Groggy]

I'd have to say nothing. My kids are better than I ever was. I see some 'bad' kids around, but there has always been a percentage of them. My son is a musician and plays classical in a band, my daughter has eclectic tastes. Maybe I'm lucky since I envy my own kids.

But I think the majority of kids are pretty cool.

[AlexS]

Last weekend we had about 20 'kids' (late teens to late 20s) of both genders, from daughter's canoe polo team, descend on us. SWMBO & I went out for the night rather than add to the congestion.

When we returned they were without exception polite, friendly & able to carry on intelligent conversation. The house was tidy, & they are welcome any time again.

These kids are probably representative of most kids their age - I must say my jaundiced eye just got a bit clearer.

[boban]

Well Im going to be slightly elitist here or so it will seem to some.

What hovo says is so very true.

Where you live will have a huge bearing on what you think of todays kids. For mine in the worst areas of Sydney you'll find the worst kids(and I know that first hand). The scumbag kids had parents who were little better than them. Further if you meet the parents of most habitual criminals (DanP will know this better than most) you'll generally find parents with little time for their own children if any at all.

I know where you live AlexS and its not where you will find the worst kids so I am not surprised by what you say. They are representative of the kids in that area and probably a reflection of your own childrens taste in friends, not a representation of kids in general. Having met you, I will say that if your child is a reflection of you, then she is not going to go to far wrong.

[Schtoo]

Don't complain too loudly about the radio...

At least you get music. Here, they play half the song, interrupt it with some stoopid joke only the ^%^$^%$ saying it can understand, then play another little bit off the song, cut it off and go into another stoopid monolgue about food or some such cr@p.

You wouldn't believe how obsessed with food they are here, and anything that is "good for health". Prolly explains why people live so long (great granny in law just left the wicket at 110) but I reckon the radio might be cause for such a high suicide rate here too. :rolleyes:

What's worse, the good station (relative term there) just changed their line up and it's garbage. The not so good station is living up to it's reputation, the rest of them are junk and the CD player doesn't work anymore. Tape works ok.

But the only tape I have is of Jeff Foxworthy. Funny fella, but when you know when beer glasses are going to make noise, it's time to just stop.

Triple J huh? At one time, they were flouting how they were the youth station, but none of the presenters were under the age of 30, mostly over 40. I gave up on it as a bad joke, except for Dr. Karl. :D

[silentC]

You wouldn't believe how obsessed with food they are here
I thought it was for research :D

[womble]

I thought it was for research :D
Nah its traditional, they've always hunted in antartica :D ;)

[Iain]

We had a scout camp last weekend to teach the kids, young adults would probably be a better term, emergency response.
Two of the patrol leaders, both 14, had a bit of a heated argument over something that needed doing and us three leaders sat back and watched for a while.
I defused the whole thing by just laughing at them and saying that in 10 years, when they are married, this is what they can look forward to.
The whole patrol thought this was funny and the two patrol leaders realised what they were doing, it worked for us.
It was an interesting weekend overall with a lot of groups from different socio/economic areas, the behaviour of different groups was incredible.
Ours, I might add, were very well behaved and responsible.
Commercial break over, back to the music.
NB. Listening to the radio this morning, Anna Russell performing 'do your own Gilbert and Sullivan' anyone else catch it, I thought it was hilarious.

[AlexS]

I know where you live AlexS and its not where you will find the worst kids so I am not surprised by what you say. They are representative of the kids in that area and probably a reflection of your own childrens taste in friends, not a representation of kids in general.

Thanks Boban, but the kids were from all over Australia training for a national team. I don't know most of their parents, but it's probably true that most of them got into the sport through their parents, or were at least encouraged by them.

Also have to agree with Groggy - I'm sure my kids are much better in all ways than I was at their age.

[silentC]

For those of you who have been eagerly awaiting the outcome of my coffee machine's problem passing steam, you will be happy to know that after following the advice of forum members, all is well. I bought some "Scalex Dishwasher & Appliance Cleaner" which I ran through this morning.

I tell you, it was like passing a kidney stone and I'm sure I heard the machine heave a sigh of relief as it spat a lump of calcium deposit out the end of it's steam nozzle and across the room. We now have full steam ahead and I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before the fizzy taste disappears altogether.

[Driver]

For those of you who have been eagerly awaiting the outcome of my coffee machine's problem passing steam, you will be happy to know that after following the advice of forum members, all is well. I bought some "Scalex Dishwasher & Appliance Cleaner" which I ran through this morning.

I tell you, it was like passing a kidney stone and I'm sure I heard the machine heave a sigh of relief as it spat a lump of calcium deposit out the end of it's steam nozzle and across the room. We now have full steam ahead and I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before the fizzy taste disappears altogether.

I'm enormously relieved to hear it! :)

[Rocker]

For those of you who have been eagerly awaiting the outcome of my coffee machine's problem passing steam, you will be happy to know that after following the advice of forum members, all is well.

SilentC,

Fascinated as I was by the story of your coffee machine's gallstone, what I am hanging out for is an account of the dramas involved in building your new stately home. When can we expect the first installment?

Rocker

[craigb]

For those of you who have been eagerly awaiting the outcome of my coffee machine's problem passing steam, you will be happy to know that after following the advice of forum members, all is well. I bought some "Scalex Dishwasher & Appliance Cleaner" which I ran through this morning.

I tell you, it was like passing a kidney stone and I'm sure I heard the machine heave a sigh of relief as it spat a lump of calcium deposit out the end of it's steam nozzle and across the room. We now have full steam ahead and I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before the fizzy taste disappears altogether.

That's just fabulous news Darren. Thanks so much for sharing it with us :D

[Caliban]

I was tempted to say pee off Darren but that might offend some of the more sensitive types, so I'll just say that I was thinking I wonder how long till the cleaner flavour goes away?

[Rocker]

For those of you who have been eagerly awaiting the outcome of my coffee machine's problem passing steam, you will be happy to know that after following the advice of forum members, all is well. I bought some "Scalex Dishwasher & Appliance Cleaner" which I ran through this morning.

I tell you, it was like passing a kidney stone and I'm sure I heard the machine heave a sigh of relief as it spat a lump of calcium deposit out the end of it's steam nozzle and across the room. We now have full steam ahead and I'm sure it will only be a matter of time before the fizzy taste disappears altogether.

The marvels of modern medecine! First Gatiep, then Jow, then Barry White, and now SilentC's coffee machine - have all made spectacular recoveries from life-threatening illnesses. Our health systems may have the occasional Dr Death, but we can be thankful that we do not live in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave, where the first three gentlemen would by now be facing hospital bills of $100,000 or more, if they had not been paying ruinous premiums for health insurance all their lives.

Rocker

[Iain]

Which health fund are you in that covers coffee machines :D :D :D :D

[silentC]

Fascinated as I was by the story of your coffee machine's gallstone, what I am hanging out for is an account of the dramas involved in building your new stately home. When can we expect the first installment?
Plans are in to the council, sitting on backside now waiting for them to get off theirs. I've ordered a very big water tank and an even bigger shed. Watch this space.

[bitingmidge]

Plans are in to the council, sitting on backside now waiting for them to get off theirs. I've ordered a very big water tank and an even bigger shed. Watch this space.

There was a time when you'd have to go to the parts dept at the local railway depot if you wanted a long weight. Now, for our convenience, they stock them in the local authority planning departments right round the country.

Cheers,
P

:D :D :D

[Driver]

But the best place and time to get a long stand is in any branch of one of the major banks at lunch time.