Un-Australian

[Weekend hack]

I found a lovely 30 acre lifestyle block at Tara QLD for $30,000. I was ready to set off on a plane to have a gander.
However, the better half who is suspicious of everything grounded me with this...

A Fair Go - Our right to say no - Lock the Gate Alliance (http://www.lockthegate.org.au/fair_go)

Honestly, I am ashamed to be Australian.

We need to support our follow country men and women who are bravely fighting this cancer upon our country for our benefit.

Please have a look and maybe even sign the partition.

Kind regards,

WH.

PS - sorry if this comes across as spam... It isn't.

I believe it is important enough to stick in front of some one - anyone - everyone.

If your Australian - LOCK THE GATE ! :~

Maybe I'm just struggling with the ten toes on the bare feet but watch the videos while your there. Films - Lock the Gate Alliance (http://www.lockthegate.org.au/films)

[SAISAY]

Are you saying they are mining on that particular block?

[Weekend hack]

Are you saying they are mining on that particular block?

No. I don't quite understand how you deducted that. I thought the videos were self explanatory and outlined that this was effecting a broad area and associated communities.

I'm saying that as Australians, we should all be aware of what is happening to our country and get off our backsides and put an end to it.

This isn't a case of it only affecting the land owners and people in the area.

If you watch the videos, you should feel enraged and disgusted; and I urge us all to sign the partition.

As outlined in the videos, and associated details available to be found with minimal effort via Google and Youtube; the appropriate application details, etc were never put forward with the applications for Govt approvals... This smacks of corruption.

Everyone involved in these approvals unable to prove correct professional protocol of behaviour should be financial held responsible and sentenced to imprisonment.

I don't own land in these areas. However, I am furious that this has been allowed to happen to OUR Australia.

What's more, IF you watch the videos you would be aware that these approvals have been issued for a massive portion of the Australian landscape from one side of the country to the other and from top to bottom.

WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT NO ONE, NO WHERE IS SAFE FROM THIS.

This is why we all need to get involved and get others involved also.

But, I guess 1 signature on a partition is a pretty big ask of some...

[Avery]

I wonder if you could expalain to me what un-Australian means?

[SAISAY]

But, I guess 1 signature on a partition is a pretty big ask of some...
I don't know where you got the idea that just because I asked a question, I didn't sign the petition.
Only I know whether or not I did.
Religion and politics are subjects I refuse to discuss in public.
Don't get your exercise by jumping to conclusions.

[Weekend hack]

Awesome...

We are getting some emotion attached to the matter.

I guess I would associate UN-Australian in this instance to the blatant disregard to the effect ones activities are having on the Australian country both socially and ecologically.

My belief would be that you are Un-Australian if:
you have been given the argument against this activity and you are not emotionally outraged buy it.:smack:


You know, the sort of social outrage that is currently sweeping social media with the dredge dumping on the barrier reef.
Another example of a stupid behaviour associated to this mining activity which flies in the face of common sense and smacks of corruption.

Another angle of Un-Australian :

Ask yourself, "is this bad for Australia?" - "do the negatives out way the positives?" - "Is this irreversibly damaging the country?"

This mining activity is the type of thing that has lead to recent civil unrest and conflicts in other countries.

I guess as Australians we are just too laid back to give a damn.

[A Duke]

Personally I would say it's un Australian if you go off half cock when you have only been given or listened to one side of a story.

[Big Shed]

Is it also UN-Australian to mangle our language?:roll:

"Social outrage on social media" IMHO often equates to uninformed mass hysteria.:(

[Sturdee]

You know, the sort of social outrage that is currently sweeping social media



I maybe getting old but what's that sweeping social media outrage you are on about. :? Is that that twittering that twits do? :?


Peter.

[FenceFurniture]

Awesome...

We are getting some emotion attached to the matter.Ah, scuzzi, when has that ever helped a rational debate? I prefer sound logic and cogent debate, myself.

[Weekend hack]

"Personally I would say it's un Australian if you go off half cock when you have only been given or listened to one side of a story. "

Yeah you are right even if the one side is supported by well recognized scientific representatives - but are you saying this is a good thing??




"Is it also UN-Australian to mangle our language?:roll:

"Social outrage on social media" IMHO often equates to uninformed mass hysteria.:("

IMHO, is not "IMHO" a mash of the language??


"I maybe getting old but what's that sweeping social media outrage you are on about. :? Is that that twittering that twits do? :?"

Yes my friend, that is exactly what social media is... In fact, you are using a form of social media being this very forum.


"Ah, scuzzi, when has that ever helped a rational debate? I prefer sound logic and cogent debate, myself."

Then you should like the videos then.


Any how, All I wanted to do was draw peoples attention to the matter.
It appears I have achieved that to a degree.
However, it is disappointing that it appears you all have over looked the issue and homed in on the messenger.

Oh well, as SAISAY's avatar says "bit by bit, day by day" :D


And for those that would like to become more informed and can use social media, you may like to read through some of the feeds found here:

https://www.facebook.com/Lock.The.Gate.Alliance

Thanks every one.

[artme]

Seems like this sort of debate will always raise emotions. Just the way we humans are.

Seems to me there is too much uninformed OPINION out there. Best opinions are formed
when accurate facts are available.

My personal view is that we should be concerned by these new developments because:

# There is evidence from the States, and here to a lesser extent, that some of these procedures
are harmful and produce unforeseen and unwanted consequences.

#Big money is involved. Need I say more?

[Avery]

I think it is really un-Australian to accuse someone of being un-Australian

[steamingbill]

If current market forces and economic circumstances mean that its feasible for companies to extract materials from the ground in a certain location and the people living there either don't want it to happen or feel that they haven't been adequately compensated, whats the best way to balance things ?

ie 22,000,000 people in Australia need gas and electricity and water and other raw materials like gravel and sand and lime - its got to come from somewhere but not from my back yard ?


Related but not immediately relevant to this thread ...................

Have heard vague stories about building a railway from Iron fields in WA to coalfields in Qld which would also help open up marginal mineral deposits in central Australia. The idea being that we would take coal to WA and Iron Ore to Qld and have smelters at both ends and a heap of new mines and towns and railway stations in the middle. Sounds wonderful but perhaps unlikely to ever occur ? Simply building that railway would provide a few jobs. But the environmental problems still exist but are less visible.

Anybody know any more about this idea ? Might remove some pressure from the conflict between needing raw materials and digging up farmers paddocks and "my back yard".

Bill

[Sebastiaan56]

NIMBY will never go away. People still have to live where any kind of mining operation occurs. Remember Ok Tedi?

If these industries were fair dinkum about non harm and restoring the environment there wouldnt be a NIMBY "problem". But we have learnt from bitter experience that no matter what is promised there is long term damage and short term loss of amenity.

And the profits and the energy goes off shore. But that is another thread....

[MAPLEMAN]

Mining the Earth for minerals and gas doesn't result in any collateral damage to the environment,all politicians are honest,and Big business will look after their workers too!...MM:2tsup:

[Weekend hack]

22,000,000 people in Australia need gas and electricity and water and other raw materials like gravel and sand and lime - its got to come from somewhere but not from my back yard ?

I guess this is part of my annoyance with the situation. The gas that is being mined is for overseas markets.

The jobs are fly in, fly out and don't add a lot to the local community with employment.
Some positions are fly in from overseas.

The product and the profits all go overseas and we are left with our land raped and pillaged.
Meanwhile, one of those "honest" politicians signs off another approval for Kakadu to be mined for a nice fat pay off. (insert obscured mental imagery here)

[kiwigeo]

The product and the profits all go overseas and we are left with our land raped and pillaged.


SANTOS is a large player in CSG....it's an Australian company based in Adelaide. A number of other Australian companies are also involved in CSG (eg Origin).

Overseas fly in fly out workers are in the minority in CSG operations...far fewer than offshore conventional oil and gas operations.

[NathanaelBC]

22,000,000 people in Australia need gas and electricity and water and other raw materials like gravel and sand and lime

Because we're not investing urgently enough in renewables, not managing water wisely and continue to build traditional brick and mortar houses when there's only an average occupancy of 2.4 persons per private dwelling.

Just saying … I can kinda understand NIMBY when it's a protest against unsustainable ways of doing things.

[Evanism]

A democracies strength is measured by the strength of its private property rights.

You will note the absence of rights in Australia. You have none.

[jimbur]

and in NSW:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-02-23/black-soil-blue/5277944