Detention

[pmcgee]

Best reasons to get detention EVER | Laugh (http://www.pinterest.com/pin/292522938268080332/)

Students Name: Timothy Oldham
Reason for Detention: For yelling "That is mahogany!" when student dropped book on desk.

Dad will make it up to you at home son ... :2tsup: ... have a milkshake. :U

Paul.


Oh and by the way ... just accept it if the teacher says a kilometer is longer than a mile. :o

[A Duke]

And they try to tell you school days are the best in your life.

[AlexS]

The term orca is preferred by some to avoid the negative connotations of "killer",[14] and because, being part of the family Delphinidae, the species is more closely related to other dolphins than to whales.

6yo granddaughter got into trouble for arguing with her teacher about whether an orca was a dolphin or a whale. (Her dad is a marine ecologist and had told her about these things.) Haven't heard the teachers reaction when she took along her supporting documentation.

[_fly_]

I got one for arguing with geography teacher about the capital of The Netherlands.
She claimed it was 'The Hague' where the government sat, I said it was where the country says its capital is "Amsterdam".
She said that didn't matter as english speaking countries use the government location as the capital.

She was a stupid short fat pommy relief teacher...#$%@&^@#%$#@^$%#@^$# (<-took a lot out here).

Guess its all part of the lies we got fed as a kid at school.
Like Captain Cook discovered Australia, I'll remember more as the day goes on.

[Handyjack]

I received a detention for not going on an excursion to the museum. (I was sick)

Now I go about once a month, and get paid to go as casual staff. :D

[Chris Parks]

Our daughter was in year 12 after missing a year and going back so that may explain what happened. She had been taught at home by mum everything she knew about dress making and design as mum is trade qualified so when the teacher tried to tell her she was doing something wrong WW3 started as daughter is no shrinking violet. I warned her she had better be prepared for what happens and sure enough she was given the lowest pass mark possible at the next assessment. The teacher always wins and they do not like being proven wrong.

[DaveTTC]

The teacher always wins and they do not like being proven wrong.

Sounds about right


Dave

The Turning Cowboy

[Bob38S]

I got one for arguing with geography teacher about the capital of The Netherlands.
She claimed it was 'The Hague' where the government sat, I said it was where the country says its capital is "Amsterdam".
She said that didn't matter as english speaking countries use the government location as the capital.

Very similar experience to my own.


Guess its all part of the lies we got fed as a kid at school.

Like Captain Cook discovered Australia, I'll remember more as the day goes on.

Only problem is that he was not a Captain at the time :o and I won't touch the discovery issue :;

Just remember, no one knows it all - we all make errors they only become mistakes if we repeat them - unfortunately, some people do not have the grace and or guts to admit they could be wrong.

[smidsy]

The teacher always wins and they do not like being proven wrong.

Oh how I wish this were true
We don't just have to take it from the kids, but from the parents and three levels of school management as well.

[Ticky]

My Daughter got detension for wearing the wrong colour socks under her long trousers. Same teacher gave her another one for wearing pink ear rings instead of blue. These stones were so small I couldn't tell you what colour they were without my glasses. Another day, it was stinking hot & she refused to turn on the air conditioner because my daughter wouldn't take off her jumper. By this time, My Daughter was sick of the teachers crap & was just being defiant. (I think she gets it from her mother) The entire class had to sweat it out because one kid would not take off their jumper.

When I was a kid, I was absent one day. Next day I was asked why. I replyed that I had Asthma. Teacher told the entire class that Asthma is all in the mind. I replyed that it explained why he didn't suffer from it. no detention. Smack in the ear with a cupped hand. Knocked me off my chair. I was in grade 6. Ah, those were the days.

But I did get detention once. When I was young I married a teacher. Got 7 years for that & a heffty fine. Everything I owned.

We live & learn.


Steve

(Daughter is from my second marriage)

[doug3030]

It was about 2003. My daughter needed a backpack for a school excursion. Her mother had died about a year previously. I was still struggling to get the family finances back on an even keel with just one income. I gave the daughter the $10 hire fee for the backpack two days late and she got a detention for it.

I was self employed, running my own business and as it happened i was finished the day's jobs by 3pm this particular Friday of her detention. I met her at the school and walked into the detention room with her and sat down beside her. After a short time the teacher supervising the detention came over and asked who I was and why I was there. I explained that apparently I was on detention because I did not have the $10 to give to my daughter for the backpack hire until two days too late.

Well the teacher was very apologetic and explained that it was not me who was under detention but my daughter was. I said that I didn't understand since I was the one who was financially responsible how could they punish her for something that was beyond her control and I was not in a position to provide until two days past the due date.

I was informed that it was school policy to give the student detention when that happened and it was not my detention but my daughter's, and that I had to leave immediately. I said "It was not her fault, it was my fault. let her go and I will sit here for the hour. She huffed off and 15 minutes later the police turned up to evict me from the school. I explained why I was there and they walked off shaking their heads.

10 minutes later the head master turned up and apologised for the misunderstanding

such is life

Doug

[smidsy]

I can remember in grade 3 the teacher left the room, and the class idiot came to my desk and starting giving me ####.
I took as much as I was going to take then got up and went after him.
Part way across the room he turns back to see how close I am and runs in to a pin up board breaking open the big scab on his hand from where he's come off his bike.
Teacher walks in sees him on the ground bleeding profusely and me stood over him - I'm up the office and canned without a single word said.
Inspite of that I support the reintroduction of the cane.

[chambezio]

I vaguely remember being on Detention at High School. It was the whole class, kept "in" at lunch time for 15 minutes.
I do remember getting the cane in Primary School. I went into the "washroom" where there was a row of taps on one side and a row if bubblers on the other. I wanted a drink of water. As you do, I turned on a bubbler to let the cooler water come through. Some smart a**e had stuck some sticks of something in the outlet holes which made the water shoot up to the roof and go over the dividing wall between the girls and boy's wash room. I had no idea that that would have happened because the "sticks" were flush with the outside of the bubbler. A girl in a higher class came over accusing me of doing it deliberately and so I was sent to the Deputy Head for 2 cuts. He asked if I had done it, truthfully (as were were told not to lie) I said yes but there was no question of my side of the story, so I was punished. In high school, we were lined up in a class group to go into the Woodwork room for the next period. For some reason a couple of kids started to whistle, ("hi ho hi ho its off to work we go" I think that was the title) I joined in as well as a couple of others. When we were in the room the teacher got the "Whistlers" to come out and yes we were caned.
When I grew up there were clear consequences. If you crossed the line you knew there would be punishment. Punishment that either hurt or humiliated. You learned not to step over the line. In this day and age, those consequences don't seem to be exercised. I think that corporal punishment needs to be brought back to define the line.

[smidsy]

The thing I could never work out at high school was the use of suspension as a punishment for wagging.

I wag because I don't want to come to school, so as PUNISHMENT they tell me I don't have to come to school.
Go figure, the logic has had me stuffed for 30 years...

[tea lady]

I think that corporal punishment needs to be brought back to define the line.Corporal punishment doesn't each you where the line is. it teaches you that if you want to get someone to do something and you have a bigger stick you hit them. How you can still belive in it after telling us about some wrongful punishments is, to me, very weird. Looks like all you learnt was "the world is unjust".

[Chris Parks]

My school did not need detention, they already had the answer with a strap or cane, it was a rare occasion it was used but it sure kept us in line. The kids are taught to think for themselves these days but if the thinking leads to problems there is no effective way the kid can be punished and I would not call detention punishment. As for not being allowed to attend school, bring it on would be my attitude. The kids that miss school should be forced to make up the time before the end of the year and the parents should have to ensure they do or suffer consequences. Simplistic, yes, but simple always seems to work.

[smidsy]

I'm not sure corporal punishment is the answer.
When a 6'2 student holding a wood chisel says to a teacher "if you don't shut the F up I'm going to jam this chisel in your neck" I really doubt that Mr 5'4 deputy is going to have much luck caning that kid.

The fact is that punishment as a whole has been watered down to the point where as a society we have no fear of punishment.
I've paid $130 a night for motels that are much worse than our prisons - that's when the magistrates actually enact a decent sentence.
It's not just kids but adults as well, - a guy in WA on 30+ (yes thirty) life driving bans because he knows the courts won't jail him and after 30, more life driving bans tend to lose their consequence.

The fact is that as a society we need to bring back fear, in adults as well as children.
If that means building more prisons so be it - but when we build more prisons leave out the tv's and DVD players, leave out the high end food and luxry items. The crims get the bare necessity to survive, those that aren't a security risk go on work groups to give back to society and jail is made as un fun and as frightening as possible.

[nihilism]

I've paid $130 a night for motels that are much worse than our prisons - that's when the magistrates actually enact a decent sentence.


I''d be asking for a refund.

(PS Iv''e worked in probably 50% of the prisons in WA and stayed and worked in many motels and hotels around Australia and in other countries and have yet to see a motel / hotel that even comes close to being worse than any of the prisons. So i''d put it to you that either the prisons are a lot different over there or you've never actually seen inside one yourself.)

[smidsy]

I'm actually an ex WA'er, and I have as a visitor seen the inside of Longmore.

[DaveTTC]

Corporal punishment doesn't each you where the line is. it teaches you that if you want to get someone to do something and you have a bigger stick you hit them. How you can still belive in it after telling us about some wrongful punishments is, to me, very weird. Looks like all you learnt was "the world is unjust".

Sorry but I disagree in this instance. Life is full of wrongfull arrests and punishments etc. do we stop all police work just because mistakes are made.

We live in the most permissive society I am aware of and have the greatest social problems ever. We brag of the headway made in certain areas and yet family communication, loyalty naff love are at an all time low. We think life is better but have just become desensitised.

I'm not against the cane anymore than I'm against other law enforcement. Just against abuse of power


Dave

The Turning Cowboy

[Ticky]

I have 4 kids ranging from 30 down to 15, so as a parent, I have been activly involved in primary & high schools for about 25years nostop. In that time I have met an awful lot of teachers, & a lot of awful teachers. I have a great deal of respect for good teachers, but they are very few & far between.
The reason for this in my opinion is a complete lack of life experiance. They started kindy at about 4, primary school at 5, highschool at 13 & uni/teachers colledge at 18 or 19. 4 years of that and into the work force, at school.

The only thing they know is life at school.

If you meet a really good teacher, chances are he/she has been out in the real world & actualy counted 2 groups of 2 things & discovered ... Hey! far out! it really is 4, just like the book says.

Corpral punishment at school, administered by teachers... I wouldn't trust the vast majority of them with a stick of playdoe around my kids. My kids, like most kids, arn't or weren't scared of their teachers, but they knew there would be hell to pay when they got home, & I didn't need to touch them to make them regret playing up at school.

I think there are 2 major problems with kids in society today.

Firstly, because of the economic situation these days, both parents have to work & kids are often not met at home by a loving parent that still has enough energy to say hi, make a snack & sit down & talk with them about their day. THIS IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE PARENTS, IT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.

& Secondly, right through school, kids are taught that winning is not important, you still get equal time on the court even if you don't go to practice, & if you don't try, you will still get a trophie at the end of the year. & then they go out into the real world where they discover that life is somewhat different to what they have been taught for the last 12 years & that winners are grinners & loosers, well, they are just loosers.

So, in my opinion, don't even consider the neanderthal idea of a cane, re-create a society where a blue coller worker can afford to support his family, have the kids met at home by a parent that has time & energy for them & start teaching them that life is not fair & failure is a real possability if they don't work toward success. This will produce the results us older members would like to see, because this is what we had when we went to school & it worked pretty well for most of us.


Steve

[Ticky]

I also had the misfortune to visit someone I knew in an SA prison, & it didn't strike me as being better than a $130 motel. The food sustained life, but that was about the best thing he had to say about it, it was serverly over crowded & too be honest, I would rather live in a Whirly in the middle of the dessert than have to go to jail.

I have never visited the LONGMORE hoiday resort you describe, but I'm sure the people who have had the misfortune to call the place home for a few years or more may view it in a slightly different light.

JMO

steve

[smidsy]

I don't think having a parent at home is an issue.
We were latch key kids, mum and dad both worked and didn't get home till near 6 whereas we were home by 3.30. Like all kids we played up some and certainly during our trail bike years the ranger spent a disproportionate amount of his time looking for us but we never did any major mischief or gave the cops reason to get involved.
I took a while to work my #### out, expelled in year ten and working in factories until my first degree in my mid 20's, my brother started an apprenticeship the day after leaving school and has never had a day out of work and little sis works in management.
In some ways being latch key kids was good because it taught us independance and responsability.

As for teaching and life experience, that is very much a double edge sword.
I came to teaching late doing my degree in my late 30's so yeah I have life experience, but I see the youngsters who have only had 3 or 4 years between school as a student and school as a teacher, what they lack in life experience they more than make up for in their ability to build rappoir and develop relationships with the kids much faster than the older teachers.

As for prison, I think the whole idea of prison as a punishment is wrong, I think prison should just be a form of segregation - someone cannot live in society so they are segregated.

Those that have done wrong but can live in society get to repay their debt to the community by community service - strict house arrest and 8 hours a day scrubbing graffiti, or clearing weeds or working on a civil construction project - hell they built the Kalgoorlie pipeline 110 years ago, surely now they have the technology to pipe the Ord River run off down to Perth, use community service labour on that to bring the cost down.

[smidsy]

Getting back to the original thread.
This reminds me of the guy who was pulled over for rolling through a stop sign and tried to argue with the cop that slowing down was the same as stopping.

After some argument the guy accepts the cops offer of a demonstration that slowing down is not the same as stopping.

The cop then proceeds to beat the guy with his Maglite and while doing so asks the driver if he should stop or just slow down.

[Ticky]

I don't think having a parent at home is an issue.
We were latch key kids, mum and dad both worked and didn't get home till near 6 whereas we were home by 3.30.








the ranger spent a disproportionate amount of his time looking for us

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I took a while to work my #### out, expelled in year ten




Hmmmmm.... I see your point.

I now see the error of my ways.

Please come to SA & teach, I still have one kid in school.... Oh! And bring your Playdoe with you.

[AlexS]

I have 4 kids ranging from 30 down to 15, so as a parent, I have been activly involved in primary & high schools for about 25years nostop. In that time I have met an awful lot of teachers, & a lot of awful teachers. I have a great deal of respect for good teachers, but they are very few & far between.
The reason for this in my opinion is a complete lack of life experiance. They started kindy at about 4, primary school at 5, highschool at 13 & uni/teachers colledge at 18 or 19. 4 years of that and into the work force, at school.

The only thing they know is life at school.

If you meet a really good teacher, chances are he/she has been out in the real world & actualy counted 2 groups of 2 things & discovered ... Hey! far out! it really is 4, just like the book says.

Ticky, I agree with your whole post, but especially this part. When I was at school, many male teachers had had other jobs, often trades, then been through the war and had come into teaching afterwards. They brought a wealth of experience outside their teaching skills and teacher training to the job. (Also, former bomber navigators can set interesting maths problems for teenaged boys, and no one tells them that maths will never be any use to them.:D) In the case of my own kids, again, I found the best teachers to be those who have some life experience outside the education system, and they also have the wherewithal to manage an unruly class without resorting to corporal punishment.
One of the mature age students I was at uni with was a woman with 2 kids, who'd left school at 15, had only ever worked as a barmaid or waitress and was generally considered to be least likely to graduate. Well, she did graduate with honours (maths/science) and worked in a brewery development lab for a few years, before swapping to teaching. She quickly achieved success as a science teacher, developing programs for kids from families with alcohol problems and also methods of maths teaching. A large part of her success (i.e. imparting knowledge to students) is dude to her life experience.

[Ticky]

Thank you Alex,

The best teacher I ever had was Roger Evens, Maths / Science.

The best grades I ever got were in Roger's Maths & Science classes. My younger cousin was struggling with a particular area of Maths, I think it was
Algebra.
He just didn't get it at all. So Roger started to talk to him & dicovered that he had an interest in building electronic boards. Then Roger ask him what the value of a ... Say, red blue green resistor is, & my cousin told him, & Roger explained that the maths was just like replacing the values for colours on a resistor.

My cousin went on to be a software writer, back in the days of Dos & "C" etc.

Had Roger Evens not been able to think beyond the cirriculum, my cousin would have failed that particular branch of maths, & his life could be very different.

Steve

[smidsy]

Back when I was 19 I was friends with this chick who had to spend a year re-sitting her TEE to get in to teaching - the score she got would have got her in to law, but teaching was so popular the cut off was artifically inflated.
Now teaching has one of the lowest entrance scores of all the uni courses.

It's not only the lack of discipline of the kids but society has severely devalued teaching as a profession - when I teach I pay nearly 30% tax because of my HECS debt, a mate of mine who can barely read or write makes more money and pays less tax as a traffic controller.

[doug3030]

The reason for this in my opinion is a complete lack of life experiance. They started kindy at about 4, primary school at 5, highschool at 13 & uni/teachers colledge at 18 or 19. 4 years of that and into the work force, at school.

The only thing they know is life at school.

If you meet a really good teacher, chances are he/she has been out in the real world

I loved your whole post Ticky, especially the bit i quoted above. There are so many of them that have never left school. I used to have arguments with some of the teachers when my kids were at school (and - come to think of it - when I was at school too) and invariably it was the ones who had never left school that were the problems.

My oldest child started school in a largeish school -3 classes to a year-level - which had a headmaster in his 20's.He was hopeless, but whenever anyone challenged him as to whether he had the experience to be running a large school at that age, the inquirer would be advised "I have a degree in education administration". Now that he has the degree he is getting the experience, but at the detriment of hundreds of students' educations.

Doug

[tea lady]

Sorry but I disagree in this instance. Life is full of wrongfull arrests and punishments etc. do we stop all police work just because mistakes are made. The stories you told were of injustice. Police work was not even done, but punishment handed out. I guess caning one and all is faster. But not exactly instructive. One book I read gave this as an example. Do you teach brain surgery by hitting the doctor till he does the right thing? You gotta tell them what the right thing is in the first place.

We live in the most permissive society I am aware of and have the greatest social problems ever. We brag of the headway made in certain areas and yet family communication, loyalty naff love are at an all time low. We think life is better but have just become desensitised.

I'm not against the cane anymore than I'm against other law enforcement. Just against abuse of power


Dave

The Turning CowboyThe social problems might just have been better hidden before. Hit them until they shut up. Belief that there is "the greatest social problems ever" might have more to do with watching to much tabloid journalism.

[DaveTTC]

History is full of injustice. Things are hidden today as things have always been hidden. Something's are exposed better today and some things are hidden better today.

Our 'informed' society make both possible.

50 years ago most people could leave their keys in the ignition of their car.

I did not for one minute say caning should be indiscriminate or anything like that

To say caning should be outlawed because it has been abused is reasoning that could be equally applied to anything in society that has been abused.

I took exception in this instance with the argument. To throw in other things does not change the initial argument. I responded in the initial reasoning. You may have other reasons.

If you think society is generally better today - I think you are wrong. If you want to say we have made advancements is certain areas by all means. I can do much more much quicker with my electric variable speed lathe over my treadle lathe. Do I think we should go back to treadle equipment. By no means. However if someone wants to use one sure. If they want to teach its use in school, no objection.

I agree the cane was on occasion handed out too easy. If it was introduced again it would be incredibly hard to regulate. I can't see it will ever come back. If it were I would not be one to vote against it. I would be very keen to see it regulated and any administering it to be held accountable as too those who decide on its use.

Every child reared by fine parents can tell at least once when their parents (at least from their perspective) treated then unfairly or jumped to a conclusion. Would we for this reason say no parent should be a parent?


Dave

The Turning Cowboy

[FRB Design]

One of the modern era problems is parents spending way to much time on computers iPad's and such for very little outcome.

Cheers,


Frank.

[DaveTTC]

One of the modern era problems is parents spending way to much time on computers iPad's and such for very little outcome.

Cheers,


Frank.

Here here

Or is that meant to be

Hear hear


Dave

The Turning Cowboy

[Big Shed]

Here here

Or is that meant to be

Hear hear


Dave

The Turning Cowboy

Google it:D

[DaveTTC]

Google it:D

But then is be wasting more time on my iPhone instead of helping my kids clean up 'their' toys. Wife will be home in an hour and the kitchen is a mess


Dave

The Turning Cowboy

[tea lady]

To say caning should be outlawed because it has been abused is reasoning that could be equally applied to anything in society that has been abused.


Dave

The Turning CowboyI say caning should be outlawed because it IS abuse. And it also doesn't help. It just teaches that the person with the big stick wins.

One would hope with the bunch of disobedient kids we apparently have now we will never get atrocities committed by people "just following orders".

[A Duke]

Never say brats aren't punished, they grow up and have brats of there own.

[tea lady]

I DO leave my car open all the time. Its so full of junk no one would want it. And no one steals a beat up ol' camry for a joy ride.

[rustynail]

We were blessed with a PE teacher and football coach who was capable of breaking bone. A caning from this "gent" left you with life long disfigurement. He was very proud of his ability and eagerly awaited his next victim. In an all boys school, he didn't have to wait long.
Our school was very much a rugby school, with a very good sporting record. I loved footy and still do. Though the spirit is willing the flesh is weak. In a game against a rival school, I was playing fly half and was the captain. The opposing fly was an exceptional tackler and was managing to stand well offside in each set play. At times there would have been no more than 3m between us. I could understand his reasoning as I was much bigger than him and if allowed to get up a bit of speed I would have a good chance of breaking the tackle. This led to me having to receive the ball with my opposing player just waiting to send me to ground. So when in striking distance of their line , I would put across a diagonal kick for our winger, who would catch the ball and proceed to score a try. We pulled this off three times successfully during the game , with a few near scoring opportunities as well. We were defeated by one point. When shaking hands with my tormentor, I said how lucky they were to have a blind ref, he agreed. We have remained mates for life. Pound for pound , he would have had to be one of the best players I have played against.
Upon leaving the field, our "coach" told me I played a "gutless game" and to see him in his office first thing the next morning.
The next morning I received six cuts of the cane.
Two days later, I was out on the paddock with the Combined High School side trying to catch and pass with two broken fingers on each hand. And they weren't from football.
Our school, at the end of the season, played a short twenty minutes each way game between staff and first grade. My opposing player was my "coach." He lasted one tackle. Our half back measured the furrow in the ground at games end, it was ankle deep and two paces long. I have never felt more justified in my life.

Leave the cane in the bush with leaves on it.