Passenger list for August 1883 ???

[Jonzjob]

OK you guys down there, here's a question for you. How do I get a passenger list for the Scottish Admiral that sailed from London on the 18th May 1883 and arrived in Brisbane on 18th August 1883 ??

Reason? SWMBO had to go to the U.K. earlier this month after her cousin died. While she and her sister were sorting things out in the house the came across a letter/diary written by a passenger on the ship. It isn't signed, but it is the original letter! The only name mentioned is his wifes, Liz, and I am thoroughly intrigued by it.

Any ideas folks :D :D

[dabbler]

I have URLs etc and other reference docs plus sources that cover similar sailing dates, all stored on other hard disks (I'm currently on my tablet). It's late night here so I'll look tomorrow. I have a commitment most of the morning but will post what I have as soon as possible.

[Jonzjob]

That is very kind of you Dabbler.

I have kept on looking through a 200 odd page listing and on about page 20 there is reference to the Scottish Admiral and the correct date. Looking through the beautifully hand written ships pax list there are 2 possibilities but with a strange coincidence?

George (39) Elizabeth (33) Kavanagh &

George (39) Elizebeth (33) Stanard . Both the same ages?

The pax listing is here
www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/ImmigrationIndexes/Documents/Scottish_Adminral_1883_Aug_QSA_Item_18480.pdf

The long list is this one
http://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CD0QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.archives.qld.gov.au%2FResearchers%2FImmigrationIndexes%2FDocuments%2FAssisted-Immigrants-1848-1912-L.pdf&ei=7yYiUeHJB-jZ0QWR-YDQBA&usg=AFQjCNH9wDU8C4Rz7TacC_xy6_MSz_TFWg&bvm=bv.42553238,d.d2k

I guess that I will never know just who wrote it, but it's very interesting. 2 babies were born and one died on that voyage.

[_fly_]

On The PAX it was listed as "Stannard".

Now "Liz" can also be short for Eliza or Elisa so that would give you a few others to choose from as a possible match.

[Jonzjob]

I had thought of that one too, but the writer seemed to spend a lot of his time trying to get as far away from children as he could. The 2 I mentioned don't have any children. Although he mentioned his wife there is no mention of children. e said, during a storm, that as their berth was next to the hull him and his wife's heads were just 6 inches from the raging water.

Looking back trough the list there are 3 Elizas' and no children, so 5 possibilities in all me-thinks?? I have a feeling that the letter was never finished and that's why there is no name?

Spelling mastike with only one 'n', sorry. Keyboards tend to be a bit like trype writers when I get near them :?

[Scott]

I've got an Ancestry login, will run a few queries through the search for you.

[Scott]

So far I've found out that the Scottish Admiral left London on the 18th of May, 1883 and arrived in Brisbane on the 19th of August, 1883. Passenger lists can be found at the Queensland State Archives, Series ID 13086, Registers of Immigrant Ships' Arrivals, Rolls M471, M473, M1075, M1696–1710.

In the end it took me a little while and copious amounts of cutting and pasting, but I managed to compile a list. It was pretty easy because in this era the ships only sailed from London to Australia once a year. I've attached the list on an excel spreadsheet, hope it's okay :)

Let me know how you go.

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[dabbler]

Jonzjob - You (and others) have already found the most likely sources of useful info, so there is no sense my posting any links or docs. They would just be links the the same sites or links to the same source documents.

Given you know the sailing dates, the wive's christian name (or a diminutive version) - you probably already have the right list of candidates for your letter writer.

However, these lists rarely show the exact family connections between passengers. You also need to have birth, death and/or marriage info to match up an entire family set.

It's almost always assumed that "children" are the offspring of the adults when listed together - but that's sometimes a convenience for travel purposes (they could be nieces/nephews/cousins/younger sibling of adults - all sorts of connections) and so they are often not 100% correct. Also notice that in this case "children" are actually "under 12" (or at least according to the adults accompanying them). Older children are listed as "singles". There's no guarantee the same surname of a 15yo "single" for instance - means they are children of a married couple on the list. In fact - in my own family, there is at least one case of a 2yo 2nd cousin (same name) travelling as offspring and an 10yo son from an earlier marriage listed as a single passenger (different name) and believe it or not - an 19yo son who had stowed away and never gave his true name to either the captain or immigration (hated his step-dad it seems and was meant to be left behind in Italy). As an aside - the stowaway died some years later in a "hunting accident" while climbing through a fence (according to step-dad)!!

So - names on passenger lists and immigration lists can never be totally relied on without supporting docs to tell you about families. I think all you can go on, is the "Liz" named in the letter. At least they're Anglo names, so the immigration clerks and other officials could probably pronounce and spell them correctly for the most part.

[Jonzjob]

Thank you Dabbler and Scott for your time on this.

Looking through the hand written list, which is a PDF from this link I posted earlier

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Resea...Item_18480.pdf (http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/Researchers/ImmigrationIndexes/Documents/Scottish_Adminral_1883_Aug_QSA_Item_18480.pdf)

There are no chidren posted in the single men or women that would match with either name above, but as I have just spent a VERY uncomfortable 1 1/2 hours in a dentist chair I won't be looking just at the mo..:C ta..

If I can get my head back on my shoulders I'll have a better look a bit later on?

Thank you again:2tsup: