bad day

[mic-d]

My German friend was returning home from doing the grocery shopping when he suddenly realised he forgot to visit the butchers. With a deep sigh and a heavy heart he realised it was going to be a bad day, up ahead he had to take a turn for the wurst.

[rwbuild]

...........and that is the wurst joke of the day.............:D

[Sturdee]

...........and that is the wurst joke of the day.............:D

IMO that is not even a joke by any standard. Rather it's a stereotyped racist insult.:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((


Peter/

[Avery]

IMO that is not even a joke by any standard. Rather it's a stereotyped racist insult.?????????


Peter/



Surely you cannot be serious

[fenderbelly]

IMO that is not even a joke by any standard. Rather it's a stereotyped racist insult.:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((:((


Peter/



Surely you cannot be serious

Is that worser than wurst :U

[Sturdee]

Surely you cannot be serious

Yes, I am very serious. I find so called jokes with either sexist or racist overtones obnoxious. The other so called smutty joke from this poster about a GPS in his undies is just as bad. :((

Further in my opinion neither should also be posted on a forum that prides itself that even schoolchildren are allowed to get on using school computers. This makes a mockery of what the owners want to have.

Maybe you should re read the sticky " Keep it clean (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f17/keep-clean-147873/)". before posting.


Peter.

[NCArcher]

I fail to see how that joke is racist.
Making a pun on the name of a type of sausage is in no way racist. Lame maybe :D or even Sausagist but IMO not racist.

[Avery]

Yes, I am very serious. I find so called jokes with either sexist or racist overtones obnoxious. The other so called smutty joke from this poster about a GPS in his undies is just as bad. :((

Further in my opinion neither should also be posted on a forum that prides itself that even schoolchildren are allowed to get on using school computers. This makes a mockery of what the owners want to have.

Maybe you should re read the sticky " Keep it clean (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f17/keep-clean-147873/)". before posting.


Peter.


How about a re-write...


An Australian from somewhere in the outback was walking home from a shopping trip when he suddenly remembered that he had forgotten to go the butcher shop to pick up his german sausage.It was then that he took a turn for the worst.



How 'bout that? still racist? still a bad joke though.

[nrb]

I agree talking about a sausage type can hardly be racist??

[Sturdee]

I agree talking about a sausage type can hardly be racist??

No but putting Germans and wurst together is racist.

[nrb]

No but putting Germans and wurst together is racist.
Please don't take all this so seriously.

[BobL]

No but putting Germans and wurst together is racist.

Awwww. . . . come on, . . . . that is as racist and bad as the one about, "How can you tell an Italian aircraft from other aircraft? . . . . . Look for the hair under the wings"
BTW I am italian.

[Avery]

No but putting Germans and wurst together is racist.


If you can find me German that was offended by that then i will agree with you, otherwise I will have to call you surely again!

[Sturdee]

Awwww. . . . come on, . . . . that is as racist and bad as the one about, "How can you tell an Italian aircraft from other aircraft? . . . . . Look for the hair under the wings"
BTW I am italian.

Which IMO is just as bad. :((

And I take this seriously as I'm offended by these type of so called jokes.


Peter.

[DJ’s Timber]

Thread is being closed for the time being whilst it's being reviewed.

[DJ’s Timber]

Thread is open again.

No racists remarks etc were found.

Keep it on topic or you'll find that the thread will be closed/deleted.

[RETIRED]

This is an example of why certain rules are in place.

The post should have been reported to the mods who would put it into moderation until it had been discussed.

No accusations should be made in the open Forums. as it develops into a bun fight and does no one any good.

I think that an apology is due.

[rustynail]

I dont like wurst anyway.
Im married to a German so we wont go there.

[mic-d]

I dont like wurst anyway.
Im married to a German so we wont go there.

I love a good wurst, very rare occasion now.
My better half's family is German too, nothing like German food at Chrissie, mmm knodels...

[fenderbelly]

Don't like the stuff, at all:no:

That and Polish sausage and Black pudding.

[Grumpy John]

This is an example of why certain rules are in place.

The post should have been reported to the mods who would put it into moderation until it had been discussed.

No accusations should be made in the open Forums. as it develops into a bun fight and does no one any good.

I think that an apology is due.


I'm not not trying to be smart here , but who apologises to who (or is that whom).

I would love to make a comment on the subject, but I may have to apologise to someone for having an opinion.

[Grumpy John]

Thread is open again.

No racists remarks etc were found.

Keep it on topic or you'll find that the thread will be closed/deleted.

Once again, not trying to be smart, but what exactly is the topic, so we know what the boundaries are.

[Avery]

[QUOTE=Grumpy John;1573986]I'm not not trying to be smart here , but who apologises to who (or is that whom).



I am still trying to work that out.

I don't think I threatened anyone, but I would be very sorry if I did.

[fenderbelly]

Well the mods found nothing racist or objectionable so i figure Sturdee owes mic-d an apology.

just my opinion, lets move on.

[Sturdee]

I figure Sturdee owes mic-d an apology.

I would be the first person to apologize if I make a mistake and thus upset someone.

However, notwithstanding that the Mods in this case disagree, I still feel strongly that the original post is a stereotyped racist insult. Racial insults in the guise of a so called joke, whether done inadvertently or not, are objectionably to me hence my comments.

So there will not be an apology from me for having this opinion.


Peter.

[fenderbelly]

I would be the first person to apologize if I make a mistake and thus upset someone.

However, notwithstanding that the Mods in this case disagree, I still feel strongly that the original post is a stereotyped racist insult. Racial insults in the guise of a so called joke, whether done inadvertently or not, are objectionably to me hence my comments.

So there will not be an apology from me for having this opinion.


Peter.


Thats fair enough Peter, we all have an opinion.
Having said that this is the joke section and nothing should be taken personally or seriously.

[A Duke]

With all due respect etc to everyone's opinions, I feel that there is not much hope for us if we can not have a good laugh at our selves now and again.

Regards

[RETIRED]

Well the mods found nothing racist or objectionable so i figure Sturdee owes mic-d an apology.

just my opinion, lets move on.To clarify. Fred has it right.

[rwbuild]

Fred, Hugh & are right

[rustynail]

There are few jokes that do not cast some slur over somone or something. It is very much part of Aussie humour. The important thing is not to read too much into it. Even the posts placed by the "jury" deciding who owes who what, could be taken as offensive. If somebody takes offence to a remark, surely they have the right to make that known to the remark maker who, in turn, has the right to decide if he or she feels obliged to apologise. Apologies by instruction are not worth a squirt.:germany:

[_fly_]

You can't really tell the joke if you don't use the word German.
Its only there to trigger the word Wurst (sausage).
I guess they could have said a Man driving a VW in Berlin forgets some shopping..., but it would take longer to twig.
As I said its just there to help make the connection.

Nothing there at all to classed as racist. Germans (and Dutch) eat Wurst, Aussies eat sausages.

[rwbuild]

IMHO its probably best that this tread is closed

[Yonnee]

No but putting Germans and wurst together is racist.
Peter, I have to strongly disagree with you. The German word for 'sausage' is Wurst, so putting Germans and Wurst together is something you'll find in any butcher shop in Berlin, as well as any German/English translation dictionary anywhere in the world.

I would be the first person to apologize if I make a mistake and thus upset someone.

However, notwithstanding that the Mods in this case disagree, I still feel strongly that the original post is a stereotyped racist insult. Racial insults in the guise of a so called joke, whether done inadvertently or not, are objectionably to me hence my comments.

So there will not be an apology from me for having this opinion.


Peter.
Accusing someone of being racist is implying that their words or actions were in some way infering that a particular group of people were in some way inferior or superior, neither of which seem to be the case. In fact, more people would have sympathy for the OP, and take offence that you have labelled someone as being racist.

[mic-d]

IMHO its probably best that this tread is closed

I agree. But before it is closed I would like to apologise unreservedly to Sturdee, and anyone else offended. I am most sincerely sorry that I posted something that offended you. Had you PM'ed me your grievance, I would have deleted my post immediately, had you reported it for moderation I would have asked for it to be deleted if I caught wind of the problem. Either of which measures would have short circuited the current fiasco. As it turned out you assailed my character with accusations of racism (a word without degrees mind you) and the thread was locked before I even realised what was going on. Initially I was quite alarmed at being called a racist (which I am not for the record), but I learnt a while ago (and still sometimes forget) that I alone am responsible for my emotions, you and no one else can make me angry by saying or doing certain things. So I have chosen not to be angered by your post but let it waft past and move on. I wish that you can do the same regarding my joke.


Regards
Michael

[BobL]

. . . . Accusing someone of being racist is implying that their words or actions were in some way infering that a particular group of people were in some way inferior or superior, neither of which seem to be the case. In fact, more people would have sympathy for the OP, and take offence that you have labelled someone as being racist.

The issue comes down to whether Germans eating wurst implies some form of inferiority, and more importantly what is already in the readers head and experience.
A racist who has probably never eaten a german sausage in his life - laughs to affirm an existing screwed viewpoint.
When I laugh (or grimace) I am in effect laughing at myself because if I want the very best BBQ sausages in Perth I go to Elmar's German butcher in Mt Lawley and cook them with wood cut with a german chainsaw.

My test for a joke being racist is what would an innocent child think who has no preconception of the group in question. In the case of this joke a child would see it as a simple word play and would not associate the eating of wurst as either positive or negative.
Contrast this with jokes that directly implies mental, physical or cultural inferiority and I think we then have something to object to.

[RETIRED]

As Sturdee could not post this in himself, he has asked me to do it.

It is a PM sent to Michael:




Michael,

I noticed that the thread "Bad day" has been closed again after you made your post.

I still strongly believe that the joke is a racial slur, and as such I will publicly refute it. Always have and always will. For this opinion and my actions I will not apologize as I believe I'm correct. But it appears I'm alone in this viewpoint.


However it appears that you, and others, got the impression that I considered you racist in making this post or are a racist. That is not my belief as I thought that you might have inadvertently made this post. [I] never wished or even believed that I cast a slur on your character and as such I unreservedly apologize to you for that.

I hope you will accept my apology.


Peter.


As I wish that the apology be made publicly, can you post the above pm in the thread.


Peter.[/QUOTE]