Upgrade 2012 - Problems & Help

[Groggy]

To all,

the admin and tech staff (both of them) are trying to re-create some of the problems but can't without a bit more information.

Would you please report issues in the format set out between the lines below (copy and alter it to suit), it will make finding problems much easier and save PMs to and fro to try and sort it out.

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Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: 7
Browser: Internet Explorer
Browser version: Version 9.0.8112.16421

Date and time of the problem: 2 Oct 12 0930

Description of the problem and other relevant information. Clicked on Reply to Thread but could not edit in the reply box, it was 'greyed out'. Happens all the time (or occasionally, whatever)

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How to find your Browser version number, it will look like the red text:

Internet Explorer: Help->About Internet Explorer - Version 9.0.8112.16421

Firefox: Help-> About Firefox - 15.0.1

Chrome: Settings-> Help - Version 22.0.1229.79 m

[Groggy]

For those missing iSpy, try this link and put it in your favourites:

Activity Stream - Woodwork Forums (http://www.woodworkforums.com/activity.php)

It does not automatically update, you need to refresh (I think)

[Chief Tiff]

I'm having a minor drama that I don't think anyone else has listed yet...

When I reply to posts (including this one!) I keep having to save the text into notepad first...because as soon as I hit the "Post Quick Reply" icon it freezes. I get the "woodworking forums not responding" message and I have to reload the page; often several times, and of course it loses my text-hence why I save it in another program first. Last night I tried to reply to a post and it took 7 attempts.....

Maybe it's me, maybe my software (W7 & IE), I don't know....computer luddite.

I would like to offer my gratitude to the moderators who are trying to herd all the cats required to get this upgrade online and working.


Oh, has anyone mentioned the colours yet? :rolleyes:

[corbs]

Is anyone else having issues with being logged off? I am getting logged after a while (can't give an exact time frame)

[ubeaut]

OVERLAPPING SCREEN TABS:
Sorry about the overlapping tabs not being fixed last night but there was a much more pressing problem with the mail server putting us out of action. Hopefully the tabs problem will be fixed today some time.

For now an easy fix may be to use Firefox or instead of IE or if the eyesight is good Ctrl - (that's Ctrl and the minus key) will reduce the screen size and fix it.

ADS AND POPUPS:
If you see ads at the top of the screen you ere not logged in to the forums. There is only one ad block on the forums for for logged in members. It is a trial ad block found right down at the bottom of the page and when it is just text it is almost impossible to see. When it is a graphic ad (it switches between text & graphic) you can't miss it.

The ads on the Guest view of the forum and in the Archive are there to help pay to keep this site FREE (some people seem to have forgotten it's all free and run by unpaid volunteers) and are hopefully are annoying enough as to act as an incentive for guests to sign up and become contributing members.

Popups.... What popups? There are no popups installed on these forums (other than those in the tabs etc which have been here for ever including on the old forms). If anyone sees a popup ad on these forums it will most likely be coming from your own computer infected with a tracking virus or similar.

What's happening:
Steven and I are still hard at it trying to get all the fixes in place but having businesses to run and is slowing us down a little. Since last Sunday I have been working until 2 & 3 am in the back room every night updating the counters and trying to do stuff to cause the least disruption and Steven is endeavoring to do things whenever he gets a few spare minutes.

It is happening albeit slower than anticipated. Mostly because of the massive size of this beast we call Woodwork Forums. There are around 15 million items that need to be updated, The Search Engine update took a little over 32 hours, attachment thumbnail update run yesterday went for around 10 hours until it in conjunction with the mail serve made the forums fall over due to the load on the server.

I'm off to the factory for a late start and will be working there all weekend trying to catch up on many lost hours over the past weeks due to shows, forums, and other bloody annoying stuff like 30+ emails a day from disgruntled members demanding immediate responses as to why the forums are stuffed and how it is inconveniencing them and why they will never be back again, and how dare we.... etc etc, etc.

It's free people. Suck it up or leave. Bit harsh but some people just don't seem to get it.

Anyway as they said during another great conflict:

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Personally I prefer this one

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Cheers - Neil :U

[doug3030]

There is only one thing that is starting to really annoy me about the new format.

If I navigate away from the forum to another website for more than just a few minutes the forum logs me out and I have to resubmit username and password.

With the old format, I could stay logged in for days or weeks at a time and just click on the forum tab and carry on where I left off.

Is there a reason for this, or a setting i haven't found yet?

Doug

[ubeaut]

For those having problems staying logged in I have done some tinkering and maybe... MAYBE it has fixed the problem if not you may need to clear your cache. Below is info on how to do this:

Internet Explorer

1 Launch Internet Explorer.
2 Click the "Tools" menu and select "Internet Options."
3 Select the "General" tab and click "Delete" under Browsing History.
4 Check the boxes next to "Temporary Internet Files," "Cookies" and "History," and click the "Delete" button.
5 Click "OK."


Mozilla Firefox


Launch Mozilla Firefox.
Select the "Firefox" menu, choose "Options" and choose "Options" again from the menu that slides out.
Click the "Privacy" tab and choose "Settings."
Check all the boxes under the History section and click "OK."
Choose the "I Close Firefox" option in the Keep Until drop-down menu.
Click "OK" and Close Firefox.


No guarantee it will work but it is an option.

[Grumpy John]

Fred,sorry if I seemed abrupt in my earlier post. Except for a couple of years in the late eighties, when I used Netscape, I have been using Internet Explorer in various versions. In the past 20 or so years I have had only one serious viral infection and that was my own fault for visiting a site that SWMBO would not have approved of :-.
I now use IE8 and have no problems with it either security wise or speed wise. With the various version of vBulletin the compatabiliy mode tab was not enabled therefore I assume there were no issues between vBulletin and IE8. Since the upgrade the compatability mode tab has appeared and there are slight differences with the forum depending what mode I am using.
I don't believe that this is the forum to be discussing the pros and cons of the different browsers. I use what I use because I like it, I've tried Firefox and Chrome and I didn't like them.
I'm not criticising the forum, I'm just posting what I see in the hope that small problem like this can be rectified and everyone gets the best out of the forums. I don't blieve that I'm the only one having these issues, I'm probably the only one anal enough to to bother posting :D.


With compatabilty mode off

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With compatability mode on

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[crowie]

I'm still having trouble with the screen freezing after I've written the reply and pressed the "submit reply"; so much so that I've been coping the reply to word before I submit it. Sometimes it uploads but mostly freezes and I have to redo it 2 or 3 times to get the reply to work. I'm using Win7, IE8, compariable mode. It's worse in the late afternoon evenings and there are a few of the toymaking blokes having similar issues to the point of frustration too [I've had emails saying this]. Appreciate all the work by the computer people & admin staff BUT please can this issue be addressed before we loose members, thank you. Cheers, crowie
PS – happened as I was trying to do this reply 3 times…..woodwork forums not responding…..even saw the "auto save flash!!!

[chrisb691]

Starting yesterday afternoon, I have been logged off 4 times. This is happening even though I keep my browser session running. ie. I haven't closed the browser, and keep the forum running in one tab. I can't recall this ever happening before. I am using IE 9, on a Windows 7 64bit machine.

[Groggy]

To all,

the admin and tech staff (both of them) are trying to re-create some of the problems but can't without a bit more information.

Would you please report issues in the format set out between the lines below (copy and alter it to suit), it will make finding problems much easier and save PMs to and fro to try and sort it out.

---------------------------------------------------
Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: 7
Browser: Internet Explorer
Browser version: Version 9.0.8112.16421

Date and time of the problem: 2 Oct 12 0930

Description of the problem and other relevant information. Clicked on Reply to Thread but could not edit in the reply box, it was 'greyed out'. Happens all the time (or occasionally, whatever)

-----------------------------------------------

How to find your Browser version number, it will look like the red text:

Internet Explorer: Help->About Internet Explorer - Version 9.0.8112.16421

Firefox: Help-> About Firefox - 15.0.1

Chrome: Settings-> Help - Version 22.0.1229.79 m

[Groggy]

The thread is now open for posting. A few requests, please...

1. Please read the posts already copied here.

2. To give us some idea of how widespread the problem, please post "Same problem as Post #6 etc", then list your configuration details.

3. Keep the chatter to a minimum so readers don't have to scroll through dozens of off topic posts.

4. Use this as the ONLY thread to put your feedback, do not create new threads in other forums.

[DJ’s Timber]

Is anyone else having issues with being logged off? I am getting logged after a while (can't give an exact time frame)


Starting yesterday afternoon, I have been logged off 4 times. This is happening even though I keep my browser session running. ie. I haven't closed the browser, and keep the forum running in one tab. I can't recall this ever happening before. I am using IE 9, on a Windows 7 64bit machine.

Are you ticking the Save? box when you log on? If you don't tick this box, your cookies expire, which then logs you out.

[arose62]

Operating System: Ubuntu
Operating System Version: 10.04
Browser: Firefox
Browser version: 15.0.1

Date and time of the problem: 2 Oct 12 1710

Description of the problem and other relevant information.
1) Despite always clicking the "Save" box, my logon details were not remembered.
2) After logging on, was taken to the blue colour scheme vBulletin "FORUMS HELP DESK" page where I had to scroll down, down, down to click the "Full Site" button to get to what I think is meant to be the new forum.

Simultaneously accessing via Chrome under Ubuntu, and from my android phone, had me logged in automatically, so in this instance it only appears to be a Firefox issue.

[_fly_]

Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: XP SP3
Browser: Firefox
Browser version: Old
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I keep getting this new posts section on the right hand side of the forum lists.
It is the section that then goes and hits Googlesyndication over and over again.
It seems to be related to the error you can see on the top line where is says sidebar=right as it does not show when I go into the metal or boat forum tags.

Browser: IE
Browser version: 8

This new posts section does not appear in IE.

And this is what my router tells me is being hit, You can see the mutilple hits everytime I go to FORUMS tag.
[www.woodworkforums.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 08:41:53
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 08:41:56
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 08:42:05
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 08:42:11
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 08:42:45
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 08:43:17
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:00:38
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:00:46
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:01:08
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:01:17
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:01:58
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:02:09
[googlesyndication.com] Source: 192.168.1.2 Wednesday, 03 Oct 2012 09:03:03



How can I kill it off?
Peter

[Groggy]

Last night uBeaut did a lot of testing with various browsers. The outcome was:

Firefox - excellent

Internet Explorer 8 - slow but seems to work

Internet Explorer 9 - has known problems (worldwide) and caused a lot of problems when attempting to use it to create posts on the forums. Inserting smilies caused a number of crashes. It is recommended members do not use IE9 as this is not a forum upgrade issue.

No doubt uBeaut will add some more when he has had a snooze.

[ubeaut]

To anyone having a problem here is the simple fiX for almost everythig.

GER RID OF IE9.

Over 2 hours of testing last night showed that IE9 was the cause of most of the problems encountered by members.

I logged in with another members registration info (with his approval) and if I get approval from him I will put the entire series of tests in this forum for all to see. If not I can assure you that the major problem is definitely IE9.

My recommendations:

[*=1]Download Firefox, install it and use it. Not a glitch to be found.
[*=1]Use IE8 in preference to IE9 it doesn't appear to have the same problems
[*=1]DO NOT upgrade to Internet Explorer 9
[*=1]Use Google Chrome in preference to any of the later IE's
[*=1]Use Firefox in preference to any other browser
[*=1]Do regular updates to Windows and it's components
[*=1]DON'T USE IE9




Finally:
Just in case no one got the message above.......
GET RID OF IE9
GET RID OF IE9
GET RID OF IE9
GET RID OF IE9
GET RID OF IE9
GET RID OF IE9

[_fly_]

To anyone having a problem here is the simple fiX for almost everythig.


A link or explanation on how to uninstall ie9 back to ie8 would be useful for those that don't know how to rollback.

And my firefox still does not work properly (I've posted in this thread).

Peter

[Humphrey9999]

Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: XP SP3
Browser: IE
Browser version: 8

The slideshow viewer is still not working properly.
Won't advance to second pic and won't close without refreshing the page.

So, we have to stick with IE8 forever if we wish to see this site properly, or will the other incompatibility issues be fixed at this end eventually?

[Groggy]

A link or explanation on how to uninstall ie9 back to ie8 would be useful for those that don't know how to rollback.This should help those that want it. Revert from Internet Explorer 9 to Internet Explorer 8 on Win 7 (http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/sa/ieitprocurrentver/thread/e71b4a13-e537-472e-af19-f062085671c1)

[ubeaut]

A link or explanation on how to uninstall ie9 back to ie8 would be useful for those that don't know how to rollback.

And my firefox still does not work properly (I've posted in this thread).

You say your firefox is OLD.... So update it to the latest version 15.0.1. Help yourself and maybe things will work better for you. Please don't bringing any more problems in here until you have fixed your end. Then at least we'll know if it's a problem with the program or with the users. Most appear to be with users either through IE9 or in your case old programs. You need to keep up to date at your end to make things work at this end.

Neil :U

PS If you don't want the side column to show hit the little tag to the right of it.

[chrisb691]

I have rolled my Windows 7 back to IE8, and will report back any mitigations of Forum issues.

[_fly_]

You say your firefox is OLD.... So update it to the latest version 15.0.1. Help yourself and maybe things will work better for you. Please don't bringing any more problems in here until you have fixed your end. Then at least we'll know if it's a problem with the program or with the users. Most appear to be with users either through IE9 or in your case old programs. You need to keep up to date at your end to make things work at this end.

Neil :U

PS If you don't want the side column to show hit the little tag to the right of it.
The little tag to the right does not work in my firefox (and doesn't show in IE) and the reduce tag still collects all the data, it just doesn't show it.
Tell ya what, don't worry about it.
Peter

[ubeaut]

The little tag to the right does not work in my firefox (and doesn't show in IE) and the reduce tag still collects all the data, it just doesn't show it.
Tell ya what, don't worry about it.
Peter

Like I said in the previous post please upgrade your Firefox and don't use IE9.

Then come back and tell us what happens. Even if the problems are fixed come and tell us. No one can fix what's not working at your end. Only you can do that and until they are it's a waste of time reporting or commenting on problems as there will be nothing that can be done from this end.

:U

[FenceFurniture]

Is there a way of not showing all the reputation info in "Settings"? I don't see anything that will collapse it.

Windows XP
Firefox 15 (latest release)

Thanks
Brett

[ubeaut]

Settings > General Settings > Reputation Level > Hide Reputation > Save Changes.

You can't turn off the reputations you see on your Settings screen. If you do you won't know when the mods or admin or anyone else reckon you've done the wrong thing.

You know... green for good :D red for bad :((

Cheers - Neil :cool: blue for couldn't care less

[iron bark]

Neil,

I replied to your email re using the info you gained and said by all means use it if it helps others, then noticed at the bottom it said don't reply to this email?? Anyway, if you need to use it do so.

I have changed from IE9 to firefox and this is the third straight post with no sign of the original problem. Well done to the team.

Cheers,

Ned

[FenceFurniture]

You know... green for good :D red for bad :((

Green? What Green?:U

[ubeaut]

Neil,

I replied to your email re using the info you gained and said by all means use it if it helps others, then noticed at the bottom it said don't reply to this email?? Anyway, if you need to use it do so.

I have changed from IE9 to firefox and this is the third straight post with no sign of the original problem. Well done to the team.

Cheers,

Ned


Thanks for that. Will put it on in a while.

Cheers - Neil :U

PS Pood to see your problem has been fixed. Now all we need is for all the others with problems to do the same.

[doug3030]

I was logged in to the forum and was actively composing a reply to a post just this evening. when I hit reply, I recieved the message: " you need to be logged in to reply. While I was composing the reply the system logged me off!

Fortunately, I an mow treating the woodworkforums software the same as I treat the crappy software I have to use at work and had blocked on all text and hit [ctrl]c before hitting [submit post] so I was able to log back in and click [reply to thread] and [ctrl v] to repost the content.. It is sad that it has come to that stage.

Is it possible to roll back to the old software until the new providor gets their $#!t all in the one sock?

[Humphrey9999]

Is it possible to roll back to the old software until the new providor gets their $#!t all in the one sock?


This is the real fix. The problem isn't the browsers, it's the poorly-written/poorly tested vBulletin software.
Sooner or later, IE users will have to upgrade to IE9. And Firefox - no way, as far as I'm concerned. I won't change browsers especially to suit just one website. Never had to do it in 14 years of using the internet and won't do it now.
Personally, I'll just learn to live with the minor problems i'm experiencing.

[FenceFurniture]

As far as I can see IE9 is known all over the world to have some pretty major problems. My partner says that at TAFE, where she is studying Web Design, they all wanted to roll back to IE8. As it turns out this is impractical because they have to test their sites for IE9.

Sooo, the problem ain't with vBulletin, who are apparently using latest software, but rather with IE9.

Are there compelling reasons to stay with IE9 rather than using Firefox across the board? I started using Firefox 2 years ago, and wild horses wouldn't get me back to IE of any kind. Adblock, Auto-refresh, Fox Gestures are jst a few of the benefits.

Oh yeah, and the forums work perfectly and as described.

If it's only a matter of Favorites then surely there is some way of copying them over to Firefox bookmarks??

I do find it hard to fathom why, when there is not just a solution but a far better solution available, people steadfastly refuse to try something new (even if it's just to see what they think of it). I can't see why anyone would even bother to ask for the software to be rolled back. It just ain't gonna happen, and must be as aggravating as hell to all the Admin who have worked so tirelessly on this project, and when they can identify that the problem is IE9 (as it is elsewhere) and people still can't take that on board.

Just as well I didn't put my hand up for the Mod job - I reckon the constant, incessant carping is banning material.

[Humphrey9999]

As far as I can see IE9 is known all over the world to have some pretty major problems. My partner says that at TAFE, where she is studying Web Design, they all wanted to roll back to IE8. As it turns out this is impractical because they have to test their sites for IE9.

Sooo, the problem ain't with vBulletin, who are apparently using latest software, but rather with IE9.

Are there compelling reasons to stay with IE9 rather than using Firefox across the board? I started using Firefox 2 years ago, and wild horses wouldn't get me back to IE of any kind. Adblock, Auto-refresh, Fox Gestures are jst a few of the benefits.

Oh yeah, and the forums work perfectly and as described.

If it's only a matter of Favorites then surely there is some way of copying them over to Firefox bookmarks??

I do find it hard to fathom why, when there is not just a solution but a far better solution available, people steadfastly refuse to try something new (even if it's just to see what they think of it). I can't see why anyone would even bother to ask for the software to be rolled back. It just ain't gonna happen, and must be as aggravating as hell to all the Admin who have worked so tirelessly on this project, and when they can identify that the problem is IE9 (as it is elsewhere) and people still can't take that on board.

Just as well I didn't put my hand up for the Mod job - I reckon the constant, incessant carping is banning material.

I'm using IE8 and will continue to do so. I did try Firefox - didn't like it.

As for banning, you're not a mod, and should keep that particular opinion to yourself. Bloody rude.

[doug3030]

Sooo, the problem ain't with vBulletin, who are apparently using latest software, but rather with IE9

I do not have IE9 on my computer, let alone use it, yet I am still having minor problems with the new forum. I think you are oversimplifying it.

Doug

[Grumpy John]

As posted earlier, these were the only consistent issues that I was having with IE8. I have since installed Firefox and these issues no longer occur. I didn't particularly want to install FF but I decided to go with the flow. As posted earlier, I don't believe we should have to change a browser that has been working perfectly well with the previous version of vBulletin. I assume that vBulletin is not free and that there is support for any initial changeover issues. What has been the response, if any, from the developers of the software being used to host the forum?


With compatibility mode off
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With compatibility mode on
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[Woodwould]

I do not have IE9 on my computer, let alone use it, yet I am still having minor problems with the new forum. I think you are oversimplifying it.

Doug
Ditto. I am running Firefox on Windows 7 Professional and I keep things updated automatically or, where necessary, manually on a weekly basis yet I have been having on-going issues with the forum makeover despite checking for software updates daily during the recent upheavals. The majority of the problems no longer occur (well done Neil, Steven and team!), but one significant glitch persists: I am unable to mark the forums as read.

[ubeaut]

Just as well I didn't put my hand up for the Mod job - I reckon the constant, incessant carping is banning material.

Just as well for us too. We don't find out about problems unless someone tells us.

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Some people are pig headed and won't change and will continue to blame everyone but themselves. Some will do what's best and change and the experience on here will all of a sudden be a lot better.

To those who are saying the change to Firefox doesn't fix everything. You are right.... But it does fix the problem that has been plaguing a good number of members on forums world wide.

We are still working on fixes for other problems but Steven and I who are the fixers are both using either Firefox or chrome and we don't have any of the problems and can't duplicate any of the problems no matter how hard we try. So it's pretty hard for either of us to knock the browsers we are using or fix something that to us isn't broken.

[Groggy]

1. Please read the posts already copied here.

2. To give us some idea of how widespread the problem, please post "Same problem as Post #6 etc", then list your configuration details.

3. Keep the chatter to a minimum so readers don't have to scroll through dozens of off topic posts.

4. Use this as the ONLY thread to put your feedback, do not create new threads in other forums.

[Groggy]

To all,

the admin and tech staff (both of them) are trying to re-create some of the problems but can't without a bit more information.

Would you please report issues in the format set out between the lines below (copy and alter it to suit), it will make finding problems much easier and save PMs to and fro to try and sort it out.

---------------------------------------------------
Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: 7
Browser: Internet Explorer
Browser version: Version 9.0.8112.16421

Date and time of the problem: 2 Oct 12 0930

Description of the problem and other relevant information. Clicked on Reply to Thread but could not edit in the reply box, it was 'greyed out'. Happens all the time (or occasionally, whatever)

-----------------------------------------------

How to find your Browser version number, it will look like the red text:

Internet Explorer: Help->About Internet Explorer - Version 9.0.8112.16421

Firefox: Help-> About Firefox - 15.0.1

Chrome: Settings-> Help - Version 22.0.1229.79 m

[RETIRED]

Ditto. I am running Firefox on Windows 7 Professional and I keep things updated automatically or, where necessary, manually on a weekly basis yet I have been having on-going issues with the forum makeover despite checking for software updates daily during the recent upheavals. The majority of the problems no longer occur (well done Neil, Steven and team!), but one significant glitch persists: I am unable to mark the forums as read.WW. If you go up to the address bar at the top and look on the right there is a little circular arrow (refresh button).

After reading the post/s,forum/s click that and it will mark them read.

I agree that the old FF was better in that respect. It does it on all Forums. :shrug:

[Woodwould]

WW. If you go up to the address bar at the top and look on the right there is a little circular arrow (refresh button).

After reading the post/s,forum/s click that and it will mark them read.

Not on mine there isn't.


I agree that the old FF was better in that respect. It does it on all Forums. :shrug:

I visit dozens of forums in pursuit of my various interests. They predominantly run vBulletin and I have not experienced any problems with them. I'm not complaining, just stating the facts.

Windows 7 Professional
Firefox 15.0.1

[RETIRED]

Hitting F5 does the same thing.

[Richie Rich]

Afternoon all, I too was having problems with the new version, have switched to google chrome instead of IE8 and replied to a post without a hitch, thanks guys for your time and effort it's a pity that some people can't realise the fact that without volunteers we wouldn't have woodwork forum. cheers richie

[Chris Parks]

I wasn't aware of any issues at all until Bret (FF) told me about them. What browser do I use? Opera, absolutely faultless. I can understand not wanting to change, none of us do. Try Opera if you don't like FF. Thanks to and all the others for their efforts.

[TKO]

I would like to thank the team for the help they gave me when I was about to give it all away ,out of total frustration with the problems I was having with trying to post,I have changed to FF,, and up to now have had no more problems But I can't get my favorites which means I have to detour back to EI9 to get the details I need, this is frustrating as well, should there be a way to get them in FF I would appreciate It , I am a none computer person on a long learning curve, I still can't get my photo album right.They are not going where I want them Because every thing is different from the old way,Please don't tell me to read the directions, been there and still don;t make sense to me I think I am getting old ,or perhaps it is because I'm old ,but thanks all for the help I will keep trying.:)


Cheers Eddie,

[FenceFurniture]

Try Opera if you don't like FF.

Errr, could I encourage a little editing there? I can just hear someone warming up :D

[RETIRED]

I would like to thank the team for the help they gave me when I was about to give it all away ,out of total frustration with the problems I was having with trying to post,I have changed to FF,, and up to now have had no more problems But I can't get my favorites which means I have to detour back to EI9 to get the details I need, this is frustrating as well, should there be a way to get them in FF I would appreciate It , I am a none computer person on a long learning curve, I still can't get my photo album right.They are not going where I want them Because every thing is different from the old way,Please don't tell me to read the directions, been there and still don;t make sense to me I think I am getting old ,or perhaps it is because I'm old ,but thanks all for the help I will keep trying.:)


Cheers Eddie,Eddie. This should help you import your favourites . Import Bookmarks from Internet Explorer | Firefox Help (http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-bookmarks-internet-explorer?s=importing+bookmarks&r=1&as=s)

[TKO]

Thank you I now have my favorites ,all is well.


Eddie

[A Duke]

So what has the Forum been so busy doing, that it told me 3 times to come back later?
Regards

[RETIRED]

So what has the Forum been so busy doing, that it told me 3 times to come back later?
RegardsProbably powdering its nose and making itself beautiful again.:wink:The data bases were probably updating. They don't recognise day light saving at the server.

[Prle77]

Ok three different PC's
same os / IE specs
Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: 7
Browser: Internet Explorer
Browser version: Version 9.0.8112.16421

Date and time of the problem: 09 Oct 12 0930

Description of the problem and other relevant information.
After typing text, every time if I click to add emoticon (on the right hand side) IE freezes and goes to reload a page..
Same applies when I press submit reply button
Now what I was doing is after typing the text (like this one now) I would copy and paste it into notepad then when IE freezes and reloads I would just copy and paste text back and after second or third attempt it would work..
Autosave sometimes work sometimes doesn't ... very flakey
Using firefox works fine but its IE which is causing issue...

[Richie Rich]

Good Evening All, Could you tell me where (nicely now), I can move my Private Messages to and free up my inbox, I don't want to delete them if possible. Another point, the last couple of times that I have tried to log on to the forum with my user name and password I don't get redirected and have to retype them in and then it logs me on, is there something that I have to change in my settings? I have just changed to Google Chrome, any Ideas, keep up the great work guys, cheers, Richie.

[Big Shed]

Good Evening All, Could you tell me where (nicely now), I can move my Private Messages to and free up my inbox, I don't want to delete them if possible.


http://www.woodworkforums.com/f36/mailbox-nearly-full-159763/

[Groggy]

Richie, from your inbox and sent box click on the select all check box (all PMs should then be 'checked', scroll down to the "Selected Messages" button at the bottom right hand side and click on it, then choose Download as text. Once that is done (and you confirm it) you can delete the messages.

EDIT: ...or you can follow Fred's link :rolleyes:

[Richie Rich]

Hi Groggy and Big Shed, Thanks for the info, is there any way I can save the pictures as well or do I lose them as you can only move the messages as text, once again thanks for the help,cheers Richie

[Humphrey9999]

Hi Groggy and Big Shed, Thanks for the info, is there any way I can save the pictures as well or do I lose them as you can only move the messages as text, once again thanks for the help,cheers Richie

You have PMs with images? How do you do that? (Attach images to PMs, that is.)

[Humphrey9999]

Eddie. This should help you import your favourites . Import Bookmarks from Internet Explorer | Firefox Help (http://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-bookmarks-internet-explorer?s=importing+bookmarks&r=1&as=s)

Browser: Firefox 16.0.1

OS: XP SP3

This doesn't work properly, importing Favorites from IE8 to Firefox. Some bookmarks imported successfully, but most didn't. I have a lot of sub-folders in IE Favorites. All my woodworking shortcuts were in a 'Projects' folder in 'Favorites'. 'Projects' didn't import, along with a lot of other sub-folders.

My work-around was to put Firefox in the 'Send To' folder, then I open the IE 'Favorites' folder via a desktop shortcut, right click on the required shortcut and select 'Send To', then 'Mozilla Firefox'. Can't just left-click, I'm keeping IE8 as my default browser for all other sites and just using Firefox for this one for now, until I sort this out.

Is there an easier way?

I just searched but can't find where Firefox stores bookmarks. I want to add my old Favorites manually to the Firefox bookmarks folder. Does anyone know where it is? Or is it hidden?

[col's dad]

I would like to thank the team for the help they gave me when I was about to give it all away ,out of total frustration with the problems I was having with trying to post,I have changed to FF,, and up to now have had no more problems But I can't get my favorites which means I have to detour back to EI9 to get the details I need, this is frustrating as well, should there be a way to get them in FF I would appreciate It , I am a none computer person on a long learning curve, I still can't get my photo album right.They are not going where I want them Because every thing is different from the old way,Please don't tell me to read the directions, been there and still don;t make sense to me I think I am getting old ,or perhaps it is because I'm old ,but thanks all for the help I will keep trying.:)


Cheers Eddie, :Buntill i read this, I though it was just me and old age,but maybe(only maybe) I'm not as dumb as I thought :rolleyes: CD.

[RETIRED]

Browser: Firefox 16.0.1

OS: XP SP3

This doesn't work properly, importing Favorites from IE8 to Firefox. Some bookmarks imported successfully, but most didn't. I have a lot of sub-folders in IE Favorites. All my woodworking shortcuts were in a 'Projects' folder in 'Favorites'. 'Projects' didn't import, along with a lot of other sub-folders.

My work-around was to put Firefox in the 'Send To' folder, then I open the IE 'Favorites' folder via a desktop shortcut, right click on the required shortcut and select 'Send To', then 'Mozilla Firefox'. Can't just left-click, I'm keeping IE8 as my default browser for all other sites and just using Firefox for this one for now, until I sort this out.

Is there an easier way?

I just searched but can't find where Firefox stores bookmarks. I want to add my old Favorites manually to the Firefox bookmarks folder. Does anyone know where it is? Or is it hidden?Still looking into it.

[Mulgabill]

For those having difficulties in importing your Favourites in IE to FF this link has some simple instructions.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-bookmarks-internet-explorer

[Humphrey9999]

Still looking into it.

Thanks . I still haven't found where Firefox stores bookmarks to do it manually.

MulgaBill - I used the method you pointed to, but it has the problem described earlier.

I haven't heard others mention this problem yet, but I do have more nested sub-folders in IE8 Favorites than most, to cover my various hobbies. This must be the reason Firefox couldn't import everything - probably only looks at sub-folders one or two levels deep.

[Humphrey9999]

After a bit more playing around, I found a method of copying all Favorites from IE8 to Firefox 16.0.1, including multiple nested levels of sub-folders.

The idea is to export the Favorites from IE8 to a HTML file then import that file into Firefox as Bookmarks. Forget their wizard, it's broken.
Note that for Firefox to 'see' it, it must be a .html' file, not '.htm'.

Method: -
First export the IE8 Favorites to a HTML file as follows: -
>File
>Import and Export
Check 'Export to a file', click [Next]
Check 'Favorites', or select folder, then click [Next]
Select a location to save the file and, importantly, change the filename extension of the saved file from '.htm' to '.html'. (Otherwise Firefox won't find it.)
Click [Export].


Next, in Firefox: -
>Bookmarks
>Show All Bookmarks (opens 'Library' window)
>Import and Backup
>Import Bookmarks from HTML
Browse to the HTML file and click [Open]
Close the 'Library' window.

All done.

[Grumpy John]

None of the uTube links posted prior the the upgrade appear to be working now. Is there an easy fix for this, or do the links have to be individually re-posted or edited so that they work?


http://www.woodworkforums.com/f124/newly-found-blues-111946/

[Jethrow]

Im unable to reply to threads or create new ones
THIS IS A TEST

[Jethrow]

Now its not working again

[Jethrow]

This is crazy

[JamesK852]

Operating System: Windows
Operating System Version: 8
Browser: Chrome
Browser version: Version 22.0.1229.94

Date and time of the problem: 23 Oct 12

Description of the problem and other relevant information. I'm not sure if this problem is due to your upgrade or something I did wrong, but I cant see my thread or reply to it (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f11/hardwood-floor-ok-160860/)

[Groggy]

Post is now visible. new posts are moderated if they have a link in them.

[chambezio]

Sorry to side track the thread

But I now can use....

paragraphs!!!!!!!!!! :roll: Just the way I could before the "New" system. I can even now use smiley faces.

The only thing lacking seems to be the front page of threads that has a header full of notebook commands instead of the proper Forum header/directory.

Not whinging. Just reporting. If anyone was wondering

[Woodwould]

I'm still having problems with marking the forums as read: When I click on Forum Actions > Mark Forums Read, the following message pops up...

"Your submission could not be processed because a security token was invalid."

I'm running Firefox 16.0.1 on Windows 7 Professional.

Neil was looking at this apparently known issue but I think he may have hit a wall (or was busy with a show or something).

[Groggy]

The only thing lacking seems to be the front page of threads that has a header full of notebook commands instead of the proper Forum header/directory.Any chance of a screenshot? I can't imagine what is happening :?

[JamesK852]

Post is now visible. new posts are moderated if they have a link in them.
Understood. Thank you!

[JamesK852]

I'm still having problems with marking the forums as read: When I click on Forum Actions > Mark Forums Read, the following message pops up...

"Your submission could not be processed because a security token was invalid."

I'm running Firefox 16.0.1 on Windows 7 Professional.

Neil was looking at this apparently known issue but I think he may have hit a wall (or was busy with a show or something).

When I use to Admin a vBulletin forum we had this problem a few years ago, I only just joined this forum so I don't really have any idea what is going on. It seems like the Admins are upgrading the forums, for us it was a problem with the code which handled the session key its a fairly older problem but I guess it's still persistent. I'm sure the Admin's will be taking care of it.

[Groggy]

When I use to Admin a vBulletin forum we had this problem a few years ago, I only just joined this forum so I don't really have any idea what is going on. It seems like the Admins are upgrading the forums, for us it was a problem with the code which handled the session key its a fairly older problem but I guess it's still persistent. I'm sure the Admin's will be taking care of it.You're correct, I was just reading that on the vBulletin forum, something to do with a >/ needed in a bit of code somewhere. FF users were the only ones affected from what I read but the problem was with much earlier versions of FF.

[FenceFurniture]

The whole new forum seems to have stteled dow nicely (with isolated problems I guess), so "good job" to the team under trying circumstances. :2tsup:

Quite a while ago I posted in here that the refresh time was crazy, but nobody seemed to address that (or concur for that matter). I'm still finding that a refresh takes ages, and sucks the hell out of this end. "Mark Forums Read" is the biggest guts, and i can 100% look forward to it doing any of the following, almost every time:
preventing typing in an email (or post)
scrolling a window down
Changing tabs or other windows

This only happens with the forum. ABC News, Gmail etc all refresh/load etc in perhaps half to one second, and the forum is usually close to 30 seconds or more, and rarely less than 3-4 seconds

Cheers
FF (the current, and best version)

[JamesK852]

The whole new forum seems to have stteled dow nicely (with isolated problems I guess), so "good job" to the team under trying circumstances. :2tsup:

Quite a while ago I posted in here that the refresh time was crazy, but nobody seemed to address that (or concur for that matter). I'm still finding that a refresh takes ages, and sucks the hell out of this end. "Mark Forums Read" is the biggest guts, and i can 100% look forward to it doing any of the following, almost every time:
preventing typing in an email (or post)
scrolling a window down
Changing tabs or other windows

This only happens with the forum. ABC News, Gmail etc all refresh/load etc in perhaps half to one second, and the forum is usually close to 30 seconds or more, and rarely less than 3-4 seconds

Cheers
FF (the current, and best version)

Just curious how long is ages?

[FenceFurniture]

Ages is:

This only happens with the forum. ABC News, Gmail etc all refresh/load etc in perhaps half to one second, and the forum is usually close to 30 seconds or more, and rarely less than 3-4 seconds

[JamesK852]

Ages is:

Sorry missed the last bit. Have you tried with a different browser? Is it the same problem?

EDIT: Actually, have you tried another device using the same internet connection?

[FenceFurniture]

Hmmm. I opened up the forum in Chrome, and it refreshed as it should (I wasn't logged in but I doubt that affects anything).

Retstarted PC and in Firefox the forum refresh is pretty good now (by comparison) but still 3-5 seconds.

How would that explain other pages refreshing at half to one second though?

[JamesK852]

Hmmm. I opened up the forum in Chrome, and it refreshed as it should (I wasn't logged in but I doubt that affects anything).

Retstarted PC and in Firefox the forum refresh is pretty good now (by comparison) but still 3-5 seconds.

How would that explain other pages refreshing at half to one second though?

I don't know how much you know about computing/networking and I don't fully understand how long it is taking you but here are some factors which may be why you feel you are experiencing that woodwork forums is slow:

1. From what I understand (I only joined today) they are upgrading their forums, there are several ways to go about this but I have no idea how big or how the back end of this place works but during any upgrade you will generally expect slower response as your migrating from one area to another (Usually they just take the board down altogether to avoid this).
2. If there are still bugs, that could be a major issue
3. This server is located in the USA not in Australia, that means your transferring packets across the ocean so it may seem slow but the packets have a BIG distance to travel.
4 The companies you listed are big companies they will have more bandwidth, bigger servers to handle more load, and contracts with Content Delivery Networks here in Australia (basically they copy information and store them locally so you can avoid number 3)

I hope this clears some things up. Also I honestly don't know how slow you are experiencing there are MANY factors which can play into this type of problem but if you are strictly comparing this forum to services like Gmail and ABC then maybe this will hopefully clear some things up.

Also try clearing your computers cache, if your computer is trying to load incorrect or corrupted information from your cache this could be a large hindrance as well

[FenceFurniture]

Not a lot of computing knowledge on this end. What you have descibed may well explain it. Thanks for that.

[JamesK852]

Not a lot of computing knowledge on this end. What you have descibed may well explain it. Thanks for that.

No problem, hey I suck at wood, but I'm good with computers so maybe someone will trade knowledge with me. Just a little reference, the front page of the forums take my computer 8.22 seconds to load all of the content (this includes background information so you would probably thing it's loaded by 3-4). If it's longer then this then there might be a problem on your end (This is still HUGLY dependant). Hope this helped

[FenceFurniture]

James I'm sure you'll find plenty of people willing to offer info, and welcome to the forum.

[FenceFurniture]

After some initial success with speeding up Firefox considerably, it didn't take long for it to slip back to the previous long winded times for refreshing/loading, and I'm blowed if I want to do a restart every time things slow down. So, I'm currently using Chrome only for the Forum, which is running at the speed that would be expected.

I've had a bit of a look, but I can't find anything for auto-refresh for Google Chrome (already have it in Firefox). Does anyone have any info on this rather useful feature please?

[Chris Parks]

I must be the only person not having problems, download Opera and give it a go. It was not until FF told me that there were issues thta I first looked at this thread and was astounded by the issues being aired. There are a few other browsers beside Firefox/Chrome/Explorer that can be utilised.

[JamesK852]

After some initial success with speeding up Firefox considerably, it didn't take long for it to slip back to the previous long winded times for refreshing/loading, and I'm blowed if I want to do a restart every time things slow down. So, I'm currently using Chrome only for the Forum, which is running at the speed that would be expected.

I've had a bit of a look, but I can't find anything for auto-refresh for Google Chrome (already have it in Firefox). Does anyone have any info on this rather useful feature please?

hmmm that is really weird, I would suggest clearing your cache, and by auto-refresh do you mean something to automatically reload the page every few minutes?

If so try this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/home

[FenceFurniture]

hmmm that is really weird, I would suggest clearing your cache, and by auto-refresh do you mean something to automatically reload the page every few minutes?

If so try this https://chrome.google.com/webstore/category/home

Thanks James. I'm always a bit hesitant about clearing "xyz" for concern of losing history etc. I've got the reload thing working on Chrome now.

[Ruddy]

Since the change to the Forum background I am experiencing problems sending PM's .
Previously I would open a PM and then go to Reply... and then create the new message and then send.

Now, if I do that , when you click Submit ......the screen locks up and will not send.
Am I doing something wrong?
The only way I can send a PM is to now create a new message and even then, sometimes it will refuse to send.

[JamesK852]

Since the change to the Forum background I am experiencing problems sending PM's .
Previously I would open a PM and then go to Reply... and then create the new message and then send.

Now, if I do that , when you click Submit ......the screen locks up and will not send.
Am I doing something wrong?
The only way I can send a PM is to now create a new message and even then, sometimes it will refuse to send.

Please post what browser you are using, and it's version, along with it's operating system. Also please describe "Locking up" does a "Not responding" message appear?

[Horsecroft88]

I am no computer geek, and have only just started posting on the forum, after a shortish break, when I really didn't have anything to talk about. But what do I find when I go to post, all sorts of problems. I gather of course from this thread that of course I am not alone. Specific issues that are occurring as I am sure others have found out, are that when going to manage attach pictures, I can't load them, and it locks me out. If I can add a picture, I need to post and hope it won't freeze, then edit the post and load another image. So far the max is 3 images. On a couple of occasions today I completely lost my post and had to re-draft.

Now I have seen others going on about Mozilla firefox, but as noted above I am no tech head, and so have absolutely no idea what it is or how it works or even could fix these kind of issues. I guess my real question though is was the changes really necessary (perhaps so) but if so, why doesn't it work. It seems odd to me that people could be experiencing so many problems, oh and yes I was posting from work, we have just had new computers and new software. It is windows 7 and I have google chrome, what ever that is.

I just want to occasionally post when either updating projects I am working on to share knowledge and/or try and help others with theirs. I really don't want to have to be worrying about computer software fix thingys.

I am not having a go at the forum, moderators etc. I understand how much time they must devote to this service to us all, and I really do appreciate it, ditto that it is free. I am just hoping that all these glitches will be ironed out with time and we can resume as per normal. Cheers Dave

[Woodwould]

I realise Neil's and other mods' minds have been focused on the recent show in Melbourne, but how are things progressing behind the scenes now the show has been and gone? Is the current state of the forum as good as it's going to be, or are further improvements in the pipeline? Can I ask what was behind the recent forum downgrade? Was the previous incarnation broken and really required 'fixing'?

I am becoming disenchanted with the whole experience: No longer being able to select which forums/sub forums appear on the desktop means having to drill down through dozens of threads on topics I have absolutely no interest in. In the absence of any improvements, I have decided to minimize the first four forums (FORUMS HELP DESK, FREE STUFF PRIZE DRAWS, FINISHING & RESTORATION and WOODTURNING FORUMS) and I now just click on WOODWORK - GENERAL when visiting the site rather than clicking on New Posts. This also allows me to avoid the eight or so sub forums under WOODWORKING FORUMS - GENERAL that I have no interest in. Sure, I'm limiting my enjoyment of a few other sub forums and I will obviously not be contributing to those forums (some might consider this a blessing), but it comes down to a balance between available time and frustration/enjoyment. Another benefit of this approach is when I click on Forum Tools in WOODWORK - GENERAL and then click Mark This Forum read, it actually works! Clicking Forum Actions on the desktop and then clicking Mark Forums Read doesn't work.

I am running FF 16.0.2 and Windows 7 (and don't experience a single problem on any other vBulletin forums I visit). Can you do a restore to the previous version... please!

[wheelinround]

Thanks WW I thought it was just me having problems and hating the new slow as a wet week version.

Missing in most across the top selections is Quick links.

Every page, section is slow to load.

Photos are taking for ever to load not just the first one but each one when clicking to enlarge.

Smillies if I open for more I have to drag and drop clicking doesn't work.

[mkypenturner]

When I reply to posts (including this one!) " Reply" icon it freezes. I get the "woodworking forums not responding" message and I have to reload the page; often several times, and of course it loses my text-hence why I save it in another program first. Last night I tried to reply to a post and it took 7 attempts.....






yep it has happened heaps to me as well

[hughie]

I have had a number of issues with posting etc I'll catalogue them here hopefully they may shed some light for the webmaster.

In XP Pro with IE 8 I have had freezing when posting and recovery messages from IE8 about its difficulty with the site. Also once 'cannot post comment to short'. But then IE8 has been freezing on me elsewhere as well.

In Win 7 Family edition and IE 9 its all but given up the ghost. So much so I have gone to Chrome and it seems fine to date.

[Humphrey9999]

I have had a number of issues with posting etc I'll catalogue them here hopefully they may shed some light for the webmaster.

In XP Pro with IE 8 I have had freezing when posting and recovery messages from IE8 about its difficulty with the site. Also once 'cannot post comment to short'. But then IE8 has been freezing on me elsewhere as well.

In Win 7 Family edition and IE 9 its all but given up the ghost. So much so I have gone to Chrome and it seems fine to date.

As I understand it, the powers that be have given up on trying to sort problems with IE on this site. Neil recommends changing to FireFox. (I didn't want to, it doesn't suit my purposes as well as IE, but had to install Firefox as a second browser to make it worth coming here at all.)
Unfortunately, using two browsers, the Favorites/Bookmarks need to be manually synced on a regular basis, to keep copies of all links in both browsers.

Overall I agree with the general sentiment. I wish the upgrade had never happened. I'd only just joined when all this happened, so barely got a taste of the old forum version, but it was much better. Like many software upgrades, this was a serious backward step for the site.

Don't come here so much any more.

[jimbur]

I have had a number of issues with posting etc I'll catalogue them here hopefully they may shed some light for the webmaster.

In XP Pro with IE 8 I have had freezing when posting and recovery messages from IE8 about its difficulty with the site. Also once 'cannot post comment to short'. But then IE8 has been freezing on me elsewhere as well.

In Win 7 Family edition and IE 9 its all but given up the ghost. So much so I have gone to Chrome and it seems fine to date.
The main reason I'm answering this is that I've ended up biting the bullet and downloading firefox. I'm always shy of changing things on the computer and I didn't really and still don't understand why an upgrade should have so much trouble with an existing browser (IE9)
Anyway the preamble above was to explain why I've stuck lots of emoticons on this post. IE9 froze almost every time I did it.
thanks Hughie for the post.:2tsup::B:U:no::D Here goes ...

[jimbur]

The main reason I'm answering this is that I've ended up biting the bullet and downloading firefox. I'm always shy of changing things on the computer and I didn't really and still don't understand why an upgrade should have so much trouble with an existing browser (IE9)
Anyway the preamble above was to explain why I've stuck lots of emoticons on this post. IE9 froze almost every time I did it.
thanks Hughie for the post.:2tsup::B:U:no::D Here goes ...
Score one to Firefox :U

[jimbur]

Don't come here so much any more.
I know it's not easily provable from this side of the keyboard but there do seem to be less posts. Is this true?

[Woodwould]

Another benefit of this approach is when I click on Forum Tools in WOODWORK - GENERAL and then click Mark This Forum read, it actually works!

No it doesn't! :~

[jamarpa]

My day job is as a programmer. I have several projects at work that include web development (asp.net, jsp/java, php etc...)

I also do a lot of development work at home as I can :U

Firefox has been my choice at home for some 4+ years now but developing at home on Ff then moving that code to IE at work was a joke. I now have IE(6/7/8/9) loaded at home so I can develop for the browsers at work (Ff not allowed).

The IE dev team at MS like to think they define the specifications of the web but this in not the case. Hence IE being the hardest to program for. The other browsers dev team program for the evolving 'standards' then add in the MS standards for IE only pages.

When looking at the generated source for the new site here, you see multiple
[if lt IE 8]

Do not see the same for other browsers.

Disclaimer: not anti MS. Just anti, wannabee dictators.