So, this Sunday forum outage....

[Cliff Rogers]

When can we expect it to start (stop)?

[BobR]

But do they realise that some members wil need therapy after 6 - 8 hours without the forum.

[BobL]

How convenient - I will be in the air somewhere between Frankfurt and Singapore.

[Scott]

http://www.woodworkforums.com/members/56431-sjt/albums/scott-s-grot/10107-sky-falling.jpg

[chrisb691]

Ahhhh. The old fix 5 bugs, and give em 6 new ones trick.

[Christos]

Well it just means that I spend more time in the shed.

Not that I can do that this weekend with the tool sale, woodturner meeting and me wanting to look at a tree. :shiny:

[_fly_]

Well it just means that I spend more time in the shed.

Not that I can do that this weekend with the tool sale, woodturner meeting and me wanting to look at a tree. :shiny:
As long as you only look. Touching is BAD...

Why can't they schedule this for the middle of the grand final.
Computer tech's don't care about it and most of you will be watching it??

[crowie]

As long as you only look. Touching is BAD...

Why can't they schedule this for the middle of the grand final.
Computer tech's don't care about it and most of you will be watching it??
When the Swans will won the Flag......:yippy::wave:
Opps, I hope I haven't started something?????

[Christos]

I am on early to get my fix of the forum before the outage upgrade :) :rolleyes:

[Chesand]

Me too

[BobR]

And me.

[Scott]

Not me... Oops!

[crowie]

we're still working at 9am....

[Scott]

It's going to happen, really it is! I repeat:

http://www.woodworkforums.com/members/56431-sjt/albums/scott-s-grot/10107-sky-falling.jpg

[chrisb691]

Is it over already? :D

[Groggy]

It is a fairly major change and will take some time to prepare and implement, why don't you lot go out to your sheds for the day :)

[Scott]

It is a fairly major change and will take some time to prepare and implement, why don't you lot go out to your sheds for the day :)

I'm at work with no work to do so I figure being on here annoying the mods and anyone else who will read is the order of the day.

[Chesand]

A nurse with no work to do?? According to my wife (a nurse) there is no such thing.

[Scott]

A nurse with no work to do?? According to my wife (a nurse) there is no such thing.

I'm in recovery at the moment. No emergency theatre. Have restocked, done all the paperwork and the roster for next week. It's one of those RARE moments.

[Scott]

Unless you work at The Northern, all those broken jaws, lacerations and fractured cheeks to repair :oo:

[Groggy]

Just advised the outage should occur later this afternoon.

[Groggy]

As the upgrade is significant it would be wise not to create any lengthy or large posts around 4pm (timing may change depending on how things go).

I'd also recommend that any For Sales, PMs or other transactions be delayed to ensure they are not affected.

If you decide to proceed you might want to check any important stuff appears once the upgrade is complete.

Since stability of the system will be unknown for a few days you may want to just hold off on any complex or time consuming stuff that you would really hate to lose, just in case a restore from a backup is required.

[Cliff Rogers]

It is a fairly major change and will take some time to prepare and implement, why don't you lot go out to your sheds for the day :)
Done a dump run, just having a coffee, will have lunch & head to the theatre for the final performance of 'Chicago' & then bump out & then party.

[ubeaut]

As Greg said - Everything should start around 4pm or a little later. The entire forum has to be backed up, then dismantled, rearranged, violated and put back together in a new suit of cloths. Hopefully the head will be at the top and the feet at the bottom, goodness only knows where the arms and other vital bits will end up. Hopefully where they belong.

This is a very big upgrade and apart from today's effort it will carry on having additions done to it over the next few weeks to months depending on how they integrate. It will be a big change to how it is now and some won't like it.

As I have said in past upgrades - Give it time it may grow on you and if not..... Bad luck. This has been paid for and waiting to be done for almost 3 years. We now have the most stable version available in a number of years and need to let it run for some time before changing anything too dramatically.

There will be a new Market Place in a few weeks that will allow for timed auctions as well as paid commercial adverts and a lot more. This is going to take some time to integrate properly including writing how-to's and examples.

It will all be for the best in the long run there will be only one skin available for now others may be done in time. There will not be a legacy lay out available with this upgrade but we may look at this after the forum and the members have become familiar and things have had time to settle.

A thread will be started for problems where you can let us know of anything that doesn't work. We will endeavour to fix asap any and all problems. You can also report any problems with posts etc by clicking on the "Report Post" icon which on the bottom navigation bar below of all posts and looks like a black triangle with a ! inside it.

Cheers - Neil :U

[Pac man]

What is a legacy lay out?

[Groggy]

What is a legacy lay out?It is just a style for displaying different colours. Try the combo box in the bottom left hand side of each screen if you want to try it.

Suggest you don't though, just in case you like it :D

[chrisb691]

Bugga. Love the legacy skin. :oo: Oh well, maybe eventually it will re-appear from the ashes.

[ubeaut]

The legacy layout (skin) puts your info on the left side column of a post where as the new forums will have the info across the top of the post as per wwf skin

Colours have nothing to do with legacy they can be made to have almost any colour, Legacy refers to the layout of the page for viewing posts and nothing much else.

:U

[steven]

Part one of the upgrade has been done.

There will no doubt be some bugs, we'll get to those tomorrow and the following few days.

We have some sweet functionality in the pipeline, this will be rolled out over the next 2-3 months.

[_fly_]

Images are not being displayed.
go into settings and I get a lot of Document.write java script errors before it loads in the top frame.

[snowyskiesau]

Well that was fairly painless :)
Thanks for all the hard work.

[Groggy]

Well, here we are, on the far side... the grass looks greener, no?

[_fly_]

The mobile site has no WWF logo's, all vbulletin images.
If you click on "full site" at the bottom of the mobile page you get page not found http://www.woodworkforums.com/forum/?styleid=36
Where do you want bugs reported to??

[Acco]

Looks ok so far :2tsup:

Will the ispy link be coming back?

[Groggy]

fly, you may have legacy set as your style (maybe). Please report posts and problems using this thread for now so others can see what has been reported.

[Groggy]

Acco, don't know about iSpy but you know the mods want it (need it).

[_fly_]

Settings, and then General Settings returns errors all the way to Xmas.
This is under Ie8 and mozilla
Warning: fetch_template() calls should be replaced by the vB_Template class etc

In Fact lots of errors under settings.
Top frame gives a lot of Warning: array_merge() [function.array-merge (http://www.woodworkforums.com/function.array-merge)]: Argument #1 is not an array in [path]/includes/class_bootstrap.php(1419) : eval()'d code on line 79
and not many pages render properly.

[jamarpa]

Being a web/app/software developer myself, I understand what you are going through. Can spend ages, testing and testing in a development environment but as soon as it is moved to Production, you can be certain that a new scenario will show it's ugly face. Will be a big change to most but keep learning and improving like our daily approach to working wood.

[_fly_]

What he said :aro-u:. Thats why we test like mad BEFORE we release to production. With millions of users to the site I work on we test to death. If It upgrades again, Maybe a few of use who know what we're doing can field test it in a test environment.

Reply works in IE but in mozilla it will not allow me to get into the text entry for a reply. Now I know IE will try and fix code errors before rendering but mozilla will not.

[ian]

:whs: _fly_
am using Win 7, 64 bit and IE 9

[FRB Design]

Looking good on Mac and iPad ,well done , nice change.


Regards,


Frank.

[ubeaut]

With millions of users to the site I work on we test to death. If It upgrades again, Maybe a few of use who know what we're doing can field test it in a test environment.

This version has been tested to death and running on Reno for a long time waiting for the most stable version to come out (roughly 3 years) before putting it onto here. Wit over 32 million genuine hits a month on this forum we couldn't afford to have it go wrong.

This latest version has been running seamlessly on Renovate Forums for about two months now with only one minor bug that's only seen by admin & mods.

There is still a lot to do to this upgrade and it will take some time as those of us who are doing it are pretty much under the hammer in our own businesses, so please be patient.

As Steven said: We have some sweet functionality in the pipeline, this will be rolled out over the next 2-3 months.

Cheers - Neil :U

[munruben]

Looks great here so far. Using firefox windows 7. 32 bit. will check back later if any problems. congratulations on a job well done guys.:2tsup:

[Michael G]

Pictures aren't displaying (only links) and when I go into settings to see if there is something I should switch on or off I get a lot of junk coming up that doesn't mean anything (to me the e-luditite). What do I need to do?

Michael
(FF + XP)

[Ray153]

Looks alright on my iPad, but only through safari. Trying to access the forums through Tapatalk (my preferred way of looking at the forums) Is impossible, still getting locked out messages

[Phil Spencer]

How do I get my old screen back?

[seanz]

The colours man, the colours.........

Running Firefox and it all works fine.

[SAISAY]

OOOOOHHHH it is BRIGHT :oo:
Hurts my poor old eyes.
Cheers
Wolffie

[Dalboy]

Pictures aren't displaying (only links) and when I go into settings to see if there is something I should switch on or off I get a lot of junk coming up that doesn't mean anything (to me the e-luditite). What do I need to do?

Michael
(FF + XP)

Same here it is getting annoying having to keep clicking on links, could this be one of them hicups

[Sumbloak]

Looks great. Much better than the old version (which frankly was not very appealing IMHO).

Anyway, bug report. The admins may have noticed already, but since I can't see a report about it..............

My options page in the UserCP gives a php error:


Parse error: syntax error, unexpected T_CONSTANT_ENCAPSED_STRING in /home/woodwork/public_html/profile.php(2083) : eval()'d code(98) : eval()'d code on line 1

Warning: fetch_template() calls should be replaced by the vB_Template class. Template name: option in [path]/includes/functions.php on line 4734

Also, the Profile page appears to have some minor CSS glitches in FF15 on W7. Overlapping content. Both should be easy enough to fix. :)

ETA: Another thing is that people's avatars are not displaying in their posts. This may be related to the settings problem.

[Dengue]

Another bug. I went to look for a post of mine, went in to Advanced Search, selected my name from the drop down menu, clicked on Search Now and no matches were found.

[Sumbloak]

Just tested that one. Confirmed. I'll do some cross browser checking on the profile CSS stuff tonight.

[eskimo]

I thought they were updating the web site...not sure I like the layout...suppose I'll get used to it...not sure i like the colours..greys may have been better in lieu of yellow?

mmm I think they also forgot to update by removing the display for the Canberra Timber & Working with Wood Show advertising which finished days ago ..

[mic-d]

Thanks for all the great efforts behind the scenes everyone. When I went to w/w/w.woodwork/forum.com (I had to break that text with / or it just displayed the link Activity Stream... like follows ) was directed to the activity stream (Activity Stream - Woodwork Forums (http://www.woodworkforums.com/activity.php) ) but I think it would be better to have it direct to the home page (www.woodworkforum.com/forum.php (http://www.woodworkforum.com/forum.php)). It's a better page for newcomers to land upon.

[Wongo]

It is always good to have a change. I like what I see.

[ubeaut]

Currently rebuilding the Search Engine Index which should fix the search problem.
However, with 137,445+ threads and over 1.436 million posts this could take from an hour to all day, it may also slow down the forums slightly.

Both Steven and I will have little computer time today as we have to work, but will do what we can when we can. Please be patient everything will be fioxed in good time..

To anyone who has a problem with bright colours of the new forum..... Check the colour calibration of your monitor as the colours are mostly pastel fauns and creams with white background in posts, etc. Lighter than the old default forum admittedly but but then again many, many people complained about the colours on that one as well and wanted it brighter.

We've gone for middle of the road colours this time. For now you need to get used to it or adjust your screen colours as it will be quite some time before there is another colour scheme offered.

Cheers - Neil :U

[Chrism3]

It is always good to have a change. I like what I see.

Well it's a great BIG thumbs down from me. Some trendy young thing has forgotten the audience. The colour scheme, especially the light grey and light pastel icons. makes it 3 times harder to read.
The plus is that I won't be spending as much time here as I used to.

[Dengue]

It is looking good, Neil, quite a modern looking website. thanks for all your hard work, would not have been easy

[pmcgee]

HEADS UP - FORUM OUTRAGE - SUNDAY
This Sunday 9th Sept there will be a forum outrage that may last from 6 to 8 hours

All that anger ... I thought it was a bit politically incorrect myself ...

​Paul

[tea lady]

Did I have a man look or something? Can't find it. :pi:

(also having trouble reading the red on top of the grey. And those pale icons in the "post icons" list. Must be older than I thought:doh: )

[Acco]

It's at the bottom of FORUMS HELP DESK (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f159/)

[Acco]

(also having trouble reading the red on top of the grey. And those pale icons in the "post icons" list. Must be older than I thought:doh: )

Sounds like your screen needs calibrating, the grey is actually white

[Ueee]

Don't like it as much either, especially the difference between the read and unread thread colours, they are too similar.

[surfmat]

I don't mind the colour scheme, but do we have to have an ad right in the middle of the post..probably to the right of this in fact... I appreciate the need to fund the site but is this the best place for an ad? I've not seen this used in any other forum and it is really quite irritating..

[surfmat]

hang on ...now its gone? ahhhh its because I wasn't logged in ..... forget I spoke.....:doh:

[Acco]

hang on ...now its gone? ahhhh its because I wasn't logged in ..... forget I spoke.....:doh:

Was about to say were you logged on :D

[A Duke]

The same only different, I will get used to it.
Keep up the good work.
Regards

[Acco]

Don't like it as much either, especially the difference between the read and unread thread colours, they are too similar.

Are you referring to the bit I've circled?

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If so, same colours, unread is bold and has a symbol at start whereas read is standard and no symbol, pretty easy for me to see differences :shrug:

[Ueee]

Sorry Acco, i still don't think there is enough difference. Neil tells me they will change though.
Thanks to a thread by pcmcgee i also think there can be only 1 utube vid in each post, so any post with multiple vids will be changed and vids lost?
I know there is a lot to do but it seems the search engine is down too, at least no matter what i search for i get "sorry no results"

[FenceFurniture]

All good from this end. Like the new format, and well done to the team - it appears to have been painless, but I'm sure it wasn't.

One thing - there doesn't seem to be an icon to click to go to the UCP. Or do I now just click the settings icon?

[Acco]

Fair enough.

As for the search engine, Neil says in the other thread (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f36/so-sunday-forum-outage-158601-post1549165/#post1549165)


Currently rebuilding the Search Engine Index which should fix the search problem.
However, with 137,445+ threads and over 1.436 million posts this could take from an hour to all day, it may also slow down the forums slightly.

Both Steven and I will have little computer time today as we have to work, but will do what we can when we can. Please be patient everything will be fioxed in good time..

To anyone who has a problem with bright colours of the new forum..... Check the colour calibration of your monitor as the colours are mostly pastel fauns and creams with white background in posts, etc. Lighter than the old default forum admittedly but but then again many, many people complained about the colours on that one as well and wanted it brighter.

We've gone for middle of the road colours this time. For now you need to get used to it or adjust your screen colours as it will be quite some time before there is another colour scheme offered.

Cheers - Neil :U

[ubeaut]

Market Place and some other forums will be going under their own tabs when we can sort them out. For now I have enabled it as a full forum section which can now be found directly beneath the Musical Instruments Section, which eventually will also be on a tab, along with Metal Work, Wooden Boats and Library.

The implementation of the tabs will serve to shorten the main page of the forum so less scrolling to do down the page and bring the main page back to pretty much all woodworking related.

:U

[seanz]

You can 'like' posts, and add little comments to peoples reputation from the tool-bar at the bottom of each post.

Not sure about that, seems a little too "face-bookish".

cheers
Sean

[Ueee]

Fair enough.

As for the search engine, Neil says in the other thread (http://www.woodworkforums.com/f36/so-sunday-forum-outage-158601-post1549165/#post1549165)




Thanks Acco, not having ADSL right now i'm hijacking my phones internet and i saw how many pages there are in that thread and decided it wasn't the best idea.....the wireless from the phone tis a bit slow!

Facebook, whats that?????

[seanz]

Thanks Acco, not having ADSL right now i'm hijacking my phones internet and i saw how many pages there are in that thread and decided it wasn't the best idea.....the wireless from the phone tis a bit slow!

Facebook, whats that?????

Facebook is something I successfully ignored for years......but.......when SWMBO signs you up for your own account, whaddya gunna do?

[BobL]

Facebook is something I successfully ignored for years......but.......when SWMBO signs you up for your own account, whaddya gunna do?
Easy - do what I did to my son - post embarrassing stuff about them!

[tea lady]

:cool:

[BobL]

Ispy?

[seanz]

Easy - do what I did to my son - post embarrassing stuff about them!

I believe there are important differences in the relationship dynamics that may prevent me from taking that course of action.........;)




OK, does everybody else see the forum headers in red and the sub-forums in orange?

It burns, aiiieeee, it burns. :q

[TTIT]

Ispy?I'm looking for it too Bob! I think it's been replaced by 'What's new \ New Posts' but it doesn't update automatically. I'll miss iSpy :C

[Groggy]

Couple of things for members to note, please....

1. The forums need to be re-indexed, this will take a long time due to all the posts (1.5 million), this should cure a few problems, E.g. searching, settings etc

2. The Administrators are flat knacker at the moment trying to smooth things over so please try to only comment on stuff that appears to be broken.

3. The colours we know about.

4. The colours we know about.

5. Performance will be slower until the indexing is done.

6. Pictures. The admins are working on tracking this one down and hope to have it sorted today.

7. Some of the forums are still being sorted out e.g. Market Place.

8. I recommend that you do not tinker with any profile settings until the forums are stable. It is easier to fix one problem for everyone with the same settings.

9. I have merged three threads into one, please do not create new upgrade problem threads all over the place on the forums.

10. iSpy is not available, use the New Posts feature for now. If we find a better way we will let you know.

11. Did I mention we know about the colours? :D

12. Please have patience, all will be fixed in good time.

[Cliff Rogers]

See points 3,4 & 11 above. :D

Also note that the arrows on the side of the various fields in the USERCP are missing, the ones that would let you collapse or open the various fields.
If you can't collapse the fields, the USERCP page can be very long

[Groggy]

For those missing iSpy, try this link and put it in your favourites:

Activity Stream - Woodwork Forums (http://www.woodworkforums.com/activity.php)

It does not automatically update, you need to refresh (I think)

[jchappo]

Minor problem.
When viewing the search results from 'New Posts', the far right hand column (Forum) has the bottom of the text obliterated by the bottom of the frame.
I think this is a result of me enlarging the text by pressing <CNTRL+>
I can get rid of the problem by pressing <CNTRL-> a couple of times, but then I can't read the threads :D

Using Firefox 12.0 under Win7

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[Groggy]

CTRL-0 should reset it. If you still have a problem then re-post please but it sounds like you zoomed in too far.

[Scott]

Any chance that the RSS feed be increased from 30 articles?

[Groggy]

Any chance that the RSS feed be increased from 30 articles?Aaaahhhhh, I dunno. I'll see it goes on 'the list'.


Couple of things for members to note, please....

1. The forums need to be re-indexed, this will take a long time due to all the posts (1.5 million), this should cure a few problems, E.g. searching, settings etc

2. The Administrators are flat knacker at the moment trying to smooth things over so please try to only comment on stuff that appears to be broken.

3. The colours we know about.

4. The colours we know about.

5. Performance will be slower until the indexing is done.

6. Pictures. The admins are working on tracking this one down and hope to have it sorted today.

7. Some of the forums are still being sorted out e.g. Market Place.

8. I recommend that you do not tinker with any profile settings until the forums are stable. It is easier to fix one problem for everyone with the same settings.

9. I have merged three threads into one, please do not create new upgrade problem threads all over the place on the forums.

10. iSpy is not available, use the New Posts feature for now. If we find a better way we will let you know.

11. Did I mention we know about the colours? :D

12. Please have patience, all will be fixed in good time.

[Acco]

For those missing iSpy, try this link and put it in your favourites:

Activity Stream - Woodwork Forums (http://www.woodworkforums.com/activity.php)

It does not automatically update, you need to refresh (I think)

I've been using this on and off since this morning and it does update, but instead of showing new posts/threads, it shows new activity of which you then need to click on to show the new posts.

[BobL]

10. iSpy is not available, use the New Posts feature for now. If we find a better way we will let you know.


Is that, will not ever be available, or it may appear later?

If the former that's too bad as I really liked that feature.

[FenceFurniture]

... various fields in the USERCP are missing...
I can't see the word"USERCP" but "SETTINGS" is pretty similar. Or am i missing something?

[Groggy]

Is that, will not ever be available, or it may appear later?

If the former that's too bad as I really liked that feature.I'd say it is gone for now Bob, but who knows what is in our future.

[Groggy]

I can't see the word"USERCP" but "SETTINGS" is pretty similar. Or am i missing something?You need to use "My Profile" or "Settings", depending on what you are after, but bear in mind that until the re-index is complete most of the features will not be available. Give it a day or so, the re-index is only about 33% complete.

[Cliff Rogers]

I can't see the word"USERCP" but "SETTINGS" is pretty similar. Or am i missing something?

Same thing, hover over Settings & see what it says it links too.

[Dengue]

Another possible bug - I am not getting any email notification of posts to my threads

[Ueee]

Another possible bug - I am not getting any email notification of posts to my threads

This goes for pm's too. I know Neil already knows about the pm emails.

[Chrism3]

I've spent a bit more time on the Forum now, and the one thing that is causing me real grief is the orange text. I simply cannot read it without peering closely at the screen.
I spent a fair bit of energy at the Canberra Show extolling the virtues of the site, showing them how to navigate the site, and encouraging them to join the forum. I now feel like a fraud - if I had known this new colour scheme was coming in I would have been embarrassed to talk to them the way I did.

[RETIRED]

Patience Chris, patience.

[Ueee]

I've spent a bit more time on the Forum now, and the one thing that is causing me real grief is the orange text. I simply cannot read it without peering closely at the screen.
I spent a fair bit of energy at the Canberra Show extolling the virtues of the site, showing them how to navigate the site, and encouraging them to join the forum. I now feel like a fraud - if I had known this new colour scheme was coming in I would have been embarrassed to talk to them the way I did.

If you read this thread through, you will find that the colours are being fixed.....# 3,4 and 11 I think.....

[jow104]

Did you know that the ukworkshop.co.uk forum had an outrage yesterday (9th september 2012) that lasted for many hours. Their admin state that it was a world wide situation.

regarding forum changes here, I personally dislike changes at my age, it is bad enough coping with W7, our memories at advancing ages cannot always cope.

[pmcgee]

regarding forum changes here, I personally dislike changes at my age, it is bad enough coping with W7, our memories at advancing ages cannot always cope.

(Sung) "Memries, Like the corners of my mind ... Misty water-colored memories ... Of the way we were"

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Pssst. Stick with XP :)

Paul.