Where is the water cannon?

[Rocker]

It seems pathetic that there are riots three nights running in Sydney, and all the cops can do is stand in line waiting for the Molotov cocktails to be lobbed at them. Don't they have any water cannon in Sydney? And why are only two or three people out of the mob arrested?

Rocker

[graemet]

It IS pathetic, but it's the outcome of a government who want to pander to the snivel libitarians, human rights activists and completely gutless judges and magistrates who don't live in the real world, as well as a community attitude that kids don't need to be accountable for their actions but are entitled to do just as they want while being paid not to work from MY taxes.

Government should repeal all the laws allowing people to blame others for their greed or stupidity, allow the coppers to belt a young hoodlum under the ear or kick his backside 'till his nose bleeds and then have the expectation that his old man will do the same when they sling him in the door of the family home.

Ranting terminated as I might get nasty if I continue.
Graeme

[Pat]

I and many that I have discussed this issue with do agree, that the police are being too tolerant of these hoods, and should be able to use physical means to subdue and terminate the riot. Dan may be able to enlighten us on the reasons why the Police cannot respond with force even when they are taking casulties.

Pat

(Concerned Cit with two mates stationed in the Sydney area, who may get drafted into this bun fight)

[Fat Pat]

Seems to be just a general deterioation in our society. I first noticed it when I found out that parents started demanding that schools and teachers were solely responsible for the education and disciplining of their children. What are the parents supposed to be doing?????

A kick in the **** is most likey a good solution, but as we have seen, some in authority in the past have gone a little too far. You can't regulate this sort of attitude, so they made a law which banned these sorts of activities.

My Brother-in-Law is a copper, and the stories I hear about the dregs of society he has to deal with, they make you hair curl.....and if he uses slighlty too much force when arresting some dill (we're talking a bruised wrist or strained ankle) he has to justify every single action or face the sack!

We get the society we deserve.

[Rusty]

Okay, I'll bite. I don't watch tv or get the paper and my ISP homepage has no mention of riots in Sydney. (they mention Togo, though). So what's got the concerned citizens um.. concerned?

This isn't some bizarre board timewarp, where this is really about Redfern ages ago is it? Sometimes this happens to me. No, I won't explain.:confused:

Wondering,
Rus.

[graemet]

It's about three hoods in a stolen car, who crashed it running away from the cops, the driver legged it after killing his two mates and it's all the coppers' fault!

[Bruce Micheal]

Where's the Israeli army when you need them?

[Rusty]

Maybe the Israelis have Rocker's water cannons? Okay, I found a short description of events from the SMH. I think I'll stay out until I have something intelligent to add. (Don't hold your breath).

Let reason prevail, gentlemen. Or let Love rule. Take your pick.

'night.

Rus.

[beejay1]

[QUOTE=graemet]as well as a community attitude that kids don't need to be accountable for their actions but are entitled to do just as they want while being paid not to work.

Unfortunately an all too common problem. It saddens me to see so many kids who have little or no respect for their community and society they live in. The same kids tend to be the ones who perform badly at school,get led into crime easily, have low vocabulary and intelligence,hang about etc etc a very common sight in almost every town and city. Oddly enough ive never witnessed this in the far east in particular japan, korea, and china/hong kong where although there is crime its not usually of this nature.
My own belief is that such kids generally mirror their parents who dont know how or dont wish to introduce proper training and discipline into the responsible task of raising them. This is not helped by the education systems which although excellent do not have any real form of punitive punishment available to them, and of course the police, whose hands are pretty much tied when it comes to dealing with them. The law almost encourages them to behave in any manner they wish and social services seldom report such behaviour but seem to want to blame it on underprivilege and abuse which may of course be the cause in some instances.
It is a very serious issue and one that does not have an easy or straightforward solution but I firmly believe that if any child is taught correctly from a very early age by the parents how to behave, respect others and, recognise right from wrong, then the problem would be significantly reduced. Sadly this would take generations now unless laws are changed. . Maybe conscription would help, either army or civil police?
Sorry to go on but I do feel very strongly about this. If the kids today dont know, then the kids tomorrow certainly wont and thats one hell of a downward spiral to contemplate. Society today certainly seems to promote the "wealth is power" measure of success but as we old farts know, thats not what its about. Lets all pass our wisdom down the line.
beejay1

http://community.webshots.com/user/eunos9

[Toggy]

In times passed; they had wars and these f**kwits were used as cannon fodder.
Sent to the front line and let the enemy use their ammo supplies on the "under achievers". Either that or get over-run themselves.

Harsh; but effective. Those that survived appeared to lift their game a bit as well.

I have to agree about the softc**cks (if they have one) that are in power here now. Why the hell do the decent people in the community have to bear the brunt of these riots. Why can't the battle zones be redirected into their communities and then we would see how long it is before they had a change of mind.


Consider the possum stirred.:mad:


Ken

[dazzler]

Hi all

I have been a copper for seventeen years and the biggest problem (IMO)is occurring at macquarie fields and occurred earlier at redfern is the deployment of the tactical response groups.

I was at the parliament house riots with the unionists, AIDEX riots back in the late 80's that went for 3 days full on and have worked the niteclub beats on and off as well as general duties.

The biggest problem with the deployment of TRG is that it gives a focus for the anger in one point and as they are equipped with shields and protective gear they take a heap of **** from the protagonists. It then becomes a game for them as each tries to get braver and throw the largest brick and do the most damage.

Eventually the coppers start to get hurt and then they charge and lock a few up and things calm down a bit until the egos come back and it starts again.

In effect we are causing the problem by having the TRG there. TRG are great at organised demos as both sides generally have an understanding of the game.

In the macquarie fields problem the TRG needs to be withdrawn to a nearby location and life be given a chance to return to normal. If it doesnt and patrols need to go back then you send in experienced, hard and seasoned coppers to deal with the issue immediately and take the fight up to any that stand up. If they stand up they get knocked down and locked up. trust me we dont need water canon, shields or anything else.....just batons, capsicum spray and braun.

50 or so hard experienced coppers would have this sorted quick smart. One thing that most people dont realise is that most coppers love a blue. Just keep pouring in blue until its stopped.

Believe me that as soon as one copper calls for assistance on the radio every cop in sydney will head that way.

getting hurt is part of the job and the one thing that a good fight does is bring us together and improve moral. There is nothing better as a team than to back each other up and fight till the fights over.

And yes some will get hurt but thats the job.

Here is a qoute that I heard at a riot with a group of professional protesters (lunatic green anti forest anti man anti world)

Protester: "Why dont you police go home, your only here because your being paid"

Copper: " Darling we'd come here and bash you C****s for nothing!"

My 2c worth.

[Toggy]

Hey Dazzler, that bloke should have been decorated for that pearl of wisdom. It would be right up there for quote of the year.

Ken (who won't admit his priors)

[DanP]

I'm with Dazzler for the most part.

I think that they are right to have called in the TRG. But they are not right in making them stand there and take the s.hit that they are. In the street if someone came at you in a way that threatened your life, you are justified in using lethal force. In a demo/crowd control situation, they send you in with basically nothing but a baton. These dogs are using molotov cocktails for christ sakes. They should be met with a strong show of force which makes them question their reason for being there.

Police are well equipped to deal with this sort of rubbish. We have shields, helmets, guns that shoot bean bag pellets, and so on and so on. It's some pathetic officer sitting in his office miles away who makes a decision if they are deployed. His/her main concern is whether or not we might get sued. Which we will whether we use force or not.

I watched on the news tonight, coppers standing there while people walked up to them and threw bricks, cocktails, timber and various other missiles at them from VERY close range. Well within range of OC foam. Did they get sprayed? NO. :mad: Did they have any fear of the consequences of their actions? NO. :mad: Why? BECAUSE THEY KNOW THERE WILL BE NO CONSEQUENCES. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

When someone walks to three of four matres away from a shield wall with a missile in hand he should be sprayed then arrested. FULL STOP. If someone walks to within ten metres of a shield wall with a molotov cocktail in hand, he should be shot with a bean bag, then arrested. FULL STOP. Large congregations of violent people should be disbursed with water cannons if possible, if not then at the least with baton charges.

I have to disagree with dazzler that getting hurt is part of the job. I'm not there to be anyone's target. Some will get hurt, but if a copper gets hurt, the offender should get hurt too. Not just stand there and cop it sweet like these ivory tower officers have us doing now.

I for one am sick to death of seeing my workmates getting a flogging and all they can do is stand there and take it. It should make anyone sick that your police officers are being made to be pathetically soft in the face of true danger so that we don't have to spend a few dollars defending ourselves in court.

I could say a lot more but would have a bit of work to do.

Dan

[vsquizz]

A little bit of Rock'n Roll will sort them out, :D I blame modern music for the troubles, it corrupts the mind and causes violence. I mean look at all the good wholesome music that was around when I was a young boke, Bob Dylan, Rolling Stones, Neil Young...and the coloured girls sing... I had a real riot at an ACDC concert once:D


I feel very sorry for the innocent bystanders/property owners that always have to suffer this king of behaviour.

I don't envy those encharged with the responsibility of crowd control in these matters.

Cheers

[rodm]

Dan and Dazzler,
Wouldn't have your job for quids but for what it is worth thanks for doing your job.
It is interesting that your operations people prefer Workers Comp claims than civil action. :confused:
I have two BIL's that have recently retired from long service in the force and both are unhappy about the way Policing has changed over the years.
Close all University Legal studies and perhaps in twenty years we might be able to do something sensible in these situations. :)
Hang in there as we need you.

[Zed]

I agree with Schwartskopf when he said, "we dont judge people, we let god do that, its our job to facilitate that meeting."

[dazzler]

Hey


Need to clarify my comment about getting hurt is part of the job.....meant bumps and scrapes or maybe a black eye in the heat of an arrest.

Not the shocking injuries from missiles that they are currently having.

cheers

dazzzler

[Toggy]

DanP,

You're are getting a bit soft after that last birthday.:D "Bean bag pellets". Really?
What happened to the real deal; good old lead. I suppose OH&P won't let you near the stuff in case a little bit rubs off on someones skin.

Let's face it; Those plicks are trying to burn you ALIVE. And when they keep coming back with more molotovs; they are trying their damnest to kill you, and you can't convince me otherwise.
If they are prepared to kill you; it is only fair that they should be prepared for the same to happen to them.
What happened to the old "reading of the riot act" law. Is it still sitting under a pile of dust somewhere? From my memory(as poor as it is); once read; and anybody who has not dispersed after the nominated time (5 minutes or whatever) and who is hurt or killed has no recourse whatsoever. They have had their chance to leave the battle zone.

As to some of the weak-gutted judiciary; if they are not prepared to sentence them severely; maybe they should be required to undergo the full sentence themselves for aiding and abetting the offenders after the fact. In reality they are ensuring that the crooks gets away with as light a penality as possible.

Any do-gooders comments ??????? Let the flames begin from you; as by lunch tomorrow I have more pressing places to be and wont be on-line for posssibly some time anyway.

Too hard for you? remember; if you pick up a snake by the tail, it's going to bite you; grab it by the throat and at least you have been able to protect yourself. Goes for the sharp end/ blunt end of a chisel or anything else you wish to think of.

I think I will go and have my medicine now and get my breath back.:D

Ken

[Iain]

I think that Toggy may have given himself away, ex TOG???

[Timbo's Shed]

I currently work as a cop in sydney, on the nice beaches side tho. With all these riots etc that are going on, its just like the Redfern incident all over again. Some say Police should just leave them be, but it starts every time a Police vehicle drives down a particular street. If Police were to leave these surburbs and not patrol them then it would turn into even more of a hell hole. So Police must patrol them, and if they are going to be attacked with bricks etc then they should be able to protect themselves and use some force to arrest the attackers. If this means OC, Batons, Shields and a bit of muscle then so be it. But unfortunately it has got to the point were Police are unable to do anything. It is because of the soft people who make the decisions and legislation, they have never experienced a night out on the truck (paddy wagaon). Put some of the magistrates and pollies on a shift or two over there and then see what they have to say. I am sure a lot of parents would also be shocked as to what they lovely little offspring are getting upto. Magistrates, Pollies, Parents all need to wake up and support the Police. As an officer we are constanlty having to cover our **** in everything we do. Granted that some years back some Polcice may have gone overboard with violence etc, but these days it has reverted too far the opposite way, the crims no Police can't give them a touch up. There is no respect or fear of the police.

Even if they do get a water cannon, they will be very reluctant to use it for fear of being made out to be unfair on the crims by the media and certain community groups. The OSG need more support and be allowed to do there job properely not stand then and take it all. They need to do something as the Redefern incident was not long ago, now the MF incident, I wonder what the next one will be??? I am sure I won't have to wait lot to see.

Anyways my two cents. Everyone has an opinion.

[DanP]

This post is bringing all the coppers out of the woodwork ( :rolleyes: )

When Nanna Nixon took over the reins of the Victoria Police, she had all her Officers go out to stations to "get in touch" with the troops, to "remember how it was" on the van etc. She herself went out to a station.

As usual, a fantastic idea, in theory. She went to a quiet station and answered the counter a couple of times. Took a lost property report, got a few happy snaps for the news, etc. NOT ONE of them went out in the van. They all sat in an office or went out with the station OIC for a leisurely drive around the neighbourhood. It's complete and utter bullsheet. If you want to get in touch, work a friday night in town, on the road, RESPONDING TO JOBS. Work ANY arvo shift in Dandenong, Frankston, Springvale, Footscray or Broadmeadows, RESPONDING TO JOBS.

I'd like to see one Officer have to deal with a domestic dispute utilising the new code of practice that THEY wrote and WE have to follow. I'd like to see one officer go one up into a pub brawl involving 30 - 40 people and deal with it without getting themselves beaten to a pulp, (however, I wouldn't mind them getting beaten either, it's a win/win). Just once I'd like an officer who has some idea what I have to go through each and every time I'm "on the van".

Again, stopping before has to wield the stick,

Dan

[bitingmidge]

Any do-gooders comments ??????? Let the flames begin from you

I think the kids in the car were just misunderstood.

P
:D

[Termite]

I think the kids in the car were just misunderstood.

P
:D
Stirrer. :D

[bitingmidge]

... and how do the police win here, with the Press Vultures setting them up so beautifully?

Don't chase the car, the kids wipe 'emselves out anyway, and there are questions asked.

Don't chase the car and let anyone get away with knocking off cars and the journo's report it to encourage more car theft.

If the Police don't fight back, they are made out to be ineffectual.

If they do, they are the bad guys or worse.

If they don't for the first three nights, then do, they are not only bad, but stupid for waiting.

This is a call for censorship!! MAKE the press report clearly and in an unbiased way.... let them tell us who the grub driving the car was, and that his dead mates were after all participating in a crime.

MAKE them publish photos of all the idiots on the streets with rocks and fire and identify who they are so that every potential jury member in the country will have no option but to be well appraised of what went on.

I just don't understand how the "public" can be outraged because someone was running away with property that didn't belong to them.... maybe all the outraged people should have to leave their cars unlocked with the keys in the ignition, so the poor defenceless (innocent) kids can borrow them whenever they like, thereby avoiding this whole thing in the first place.

Cheers,

P :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Christopha]

Why was my post deleted, it was cynical but not offensive..... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Daddles]

Why was my post deleted, it was cynical but not offensive..... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ah dear sir. We are so used to you being calm and polite without a hint of cynicism, the moderator obviously believed you to be victim of another fraudulent representation. :D

Cheers
That bloke over there

[Daddles]

Curses, curses, curses :mad: :mad:
I spent ten minutes penning an erudite and only mildly outrageous exposition of this whole problem. Then leant on the bloody keyboard and wiped the flamin' lot. :mad: :mad:
Bugger this. I'm going out in the shed and building boats. At least there I get to sit back and review my mistakes :D

Grumps
Richard

[silentC]

Ctrl-Z Daddles.... :rolleyes:

[Daddles]

Ctrl-Z Daddles.... :rolleyes:

Is that what it is. My daughter has been doing that to me since she was old enough to reach the keyboard and I've never worked out what did it. Thanks. :D

Cheers
Richard

[Christopha]

Whats 'ctrl z' do?????

[silentC]

It's probably the most useful thing that was ever invented for 'puters and would be very handy in everyday life: UNDO :cool:

[RETIRED]

Christopha, are you sure you posted it?

I have been into the log of all deleted posts and there is no record of it.

A senior moment perhaps? :D

[RETIRED]

Or maybe you are thinking of the one in Woodturning under seperated EEE?

That hasn't been deleted either. :)

[Christopha]

Nup, was here, dunno, I am "undone!" :confused:

[fxst]

ctrl z mate ...wonder if it helps memories too?
:D
Pete

[ozwinner]

DanP,

You're are getting a bit soft after that last birthday.:D "Bean bag pellets". Really?
What happened to the real deal; good old lead. I suppose OH&P won't let you near the stuff in case a little bit rubs off on someones skin.

Let's face it; Those plicks are trying to burn you ALIVE. And when they keep coming back with more molotovs; they are trying their damnest to kill you, and you can't convince me otherwise.
If they are prepared to kill you; it is only fair that they should be prepared for the same to happen to them.
What happened to the old "reading of the riot act" law. Is it still sitting under a pile of dust somewhere? From my memory(as poor as it is); once read; and anybody who has not dispersed after the nominated time (5 minutes or whatever) and who is hurt or killed has no recourse whatsoever. They have had their chance to leave the battle zone.

As to some of the weak-gutted judiciary; if they are not prepared to sentence them severely; maybe they should be required to undergo the full sentence themselves for aiding and abetting the offenders after the fact. In reality they are ensuring that the crooks gets away with as light a penality as possible.

Any do-gooders comments ??????? Let the flames begin from you; as by lunch tomorrow I have more pressing places to be and wont be on-line for posssibly some time anyway.

Too hard for you? remember; if you pick up a snake by the tail, it's going to bite you; grab it by the throat and at least you have been able to protect yourself. Goes for the sharp end/ blunt end of a chisel or anything else you wish to think of.

I think I will go and have my medicine now and get my breath back.:D

Ken
Sign me up as a Deputy, lets go smash some sculls!!

Al :mad:

[DanP]

lets go smash some sculls!!

What's this got to do with boats. You hijacking again Al?

Dan

[ozwinner]

Shi.t I hate boats.:mad:


Al :D

[Toggy]

Iain,

as posted before; I don't admit my priors. And no; that isn't the reason for the login. Had a senior moment at the time and couldn't think of anything that wasn't taken. Used part of the name of stud animals I used to breed.

I will go as far as to say that in a prior life though I have had the dubious pleasure of 1. having leaden whiteants come through doors at head
height,
2. physically crushed against a brick wall so tightly by a mob you could barely breath (swinging black rubber does help ease the crush)
3. crazy (extremely dangerous later on big time armed robber) lining up my gut with a garden fork with dirt & grass attached,
4 taken to by a mob high on booze & hooch(odds of 3 V 30) and then being picked up bodily and thrown in front of a moving semi.
5 coming across ten 3/4 caste whites in a vehicle about 60k's from assistance; one of whom was wanted for attempted murder. Luckily found their firearm so turned it on them when they took to us. This really p*ssed them off.
6. having to live protect your own kids at all times against the local drug dealer who had been disarmed on his way to carve up my toddlers.

The list goes on, but the memory has faded a bit. The ctrl-Z didn't help either.

I don't hate much in this world', but a***holes and ****heads like in these riots come close.

On a more pleasant note I noticed on tonights news that some of the poor unfortunates had been helped out with some emergency accommodation which has eased the overcrowding in the streets.:D

Hey Al; I thought you were part there anyway with your occupation of bricklayer. That won't go over some readers heads.

Ken

[craigb]

I suppose that the pond life that are currently getting free board have been told by now that rioting attracts a maximum 10 year sentance? :D

Give 'em something to think about while they're on remand eh? :eek: :D :D

[bitingmidge]

Shi.t I hate boats.:mad:


Al :D

Al,

If God had meant us to go swimming, He wouldn't have given us boats in the first place.

On the other hand why don't we go and smash some jet-skis, the morons with the stones are just the type who would have one or two (probably stolen admittedly) in their garage.

Cheers,

P

:D

[Sturdee]

Craig,


Maybe, but when will judges give anything close to a realistic sentence. :(

Probably let them of with a bond or community service. :mad: :mad: :mad:


Peter.

[craigb]

Craig,


Maybe, but when will judges give anything close to a realistic sentence. :(

Probably let them of with a bond or community service. :mad: :mad: :mad:


Peter.

I hope not Peter.

I don't think all judges are left wing pussies.

We have one in NSW who doesn't mind handing out 42 year sentences to teenage gang rapists. Perhaps they'll get him :eek: :D :D

[ernknot]

We should bring back National Service and have these young louts doing something worthwhile, if anything it will give them discipline. As we all know, young men have excess homonal activity and it needs and outlet. Todays society with all the crap going on with social engineering and trying to turn everyone into something they are not, the political correctness, the ease of obtaining the dole, drugs and pills and the media feeding us all kinds of BS which has nothing to do with everyday life. This does not excuse anyone from commiting a crime, it however indicates to me that society(?) has failed in a lot of areas. Education being one of them, parental guidance another and so on. The judicial system is apparently run by fools and greedy lawyers. The crap coming out on DVD's and CD's is also largley to blame for the state of our youth. No one wants to give them a kick up the ring because they are not allowed to. I was no angel, recall one day playing up in school and was rewarded with six cuts ( three each hand) I had trouble hanging onto my handlebars to ride home. On the way home we had to go past the cop shop, yeah, your right, the local cop spots me and drags me behind the cop shop for some light entertainment and sends me on the way. Had to walk. Got home late, the old man wanted to know why, told him what happened and copped another serve! I don't think I ever smart a***d the teacher again in all my school days.

[Tikki]

Reinstate a parent's right to discipline their children.
Bring back the cane at school.
Bring back hanging and clean the scum out of the prisons to make room for these little hoodlums who could face the same fate!
Let the cops do the job the majority of us want them to be able to do.
Shouldn't take long for RESPECT to become a familiar word again :)

[Toggy]

As my departing post for a while I wonder if any of the woosaticians and kissar*eacrats have the good fortune to come across this forum and posts. Would be a bit of a culture shock for them to see what "normal" decent citizens think. Then again; I don't think that their thoughts go too far from how they can profit from their position; rather than the good of the community.

Maybe we are just on a high from wood dust and morals.

Ooroo
Ken

[Iain]

That wonderful little word 'sinecure' could have saved you all of that effort :D :D
See you soon, and leave the nurses alone :rolleyes:

[jackiew]

I reckon the stocks are well overdue for a come back.

A bit of public ridicule ( and the odd rotten tomato ) at an early stage in a lad's ( and they are usually lads ) criminal career might do the trick for a fair proportion of them. They get slapped on the wrists when they get caught and they never really find out what the rest of us think of them. I reckon a couple of hours in the stocks should be a mandatory penalty for grafitti daubers.

[DanP]

I don't think all judges are left wing pussies.

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks Craig, needed a good laugh.

Tikki,

Parents still have the right to discipline. They are just not allowed to bash their kids anymore. I think the question here is if these kids are disciplined at all, by anyone.

Dan

PS. The gang rapist should have got 420 years.

[ptc]

Dan.
"parents still have the right to disipline "
how is that defined today ?
Whats allowed,?

[Iain]

Discreetly and leave no scars :D :D :D

[DanP]

You may discipline your child by 'smacking' them. You can not injure them in any way. It's called 'Lawful Chastisement'. It's these do gooding idiots in society today who give you grief when you give your kid a smack you will tell you you can't do it.

Dan

[Sturdee]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks Craig, needed a good laugh.



190 big grins. Must have been a good long laugh. :D :D :D

Peter.

[ozwinner]

OK Dan, ya dont want to go and smash boats with me, I can understand that.

How about we go pussie smashing instead??

Al :D x190

[namtrak]

Ouch,

I can't help getting the feeling that there is a mob mentality in here to match the mob mentality by those kids. Not of all of us agree :)

And, whilst I have the utmost respect for police, there are police who have unlawfully killed people, dealt in drugs, embezzled funds etc. No section of society is immune to the vagaries of human nature, kids, police or even -and here I may cross the line - woodworkers!!

As for answers, no of course I don't have any - but a lot begins at home.

Cheers

PS and yes I am a card carrying left wing pussy

[ozwinner]

Dont you have a tree you have to go and hug??


Al :confused:

[Christopha]

PUSSY!!! WHERE???? I will shoot the mongrel, feral, piece of garbage.... :mad:

The same should apply for the mongrel, feral garbage of MF. :mad:
If those nasty, corrupt, drug dealing, filthy rich coppers would stop hunting down unlicensed strippers, unlicensed dogs. unlicensed onion picklers and get on with buildin tennis courts fro the good people of MF then the world would be a much nicer place.... 'Nough political correct crap, let the poor bloody coppers enforce the law! Give them permission to defend themselves properly, SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS ON OUR BEHALF! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[namtrak]

Dont you have a tree you have to go and hug??




PUSSY!!! WHERE???? I will shoot the mongrel, feral, piece of garbage.... :

Now now, settle down fellas, you'll swallow your teeth.

:p

[Sturdee]

'Nough political correct crap, let the poor bloody coppers enforce the law! Give them permission to defend themselves properly, SUPPORT THEIR EFFORTS ON OUR BEHALF! :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Hear Hear.

The police weren't there for their own enjoyment or fun, but to uphold law and order. They uphold law and order for us, the community, so that we can go about our own lawful business. These hooligans are not only attacking the police but the freedom of every citizen.

If this behaviour can go on unchecked what will they do next ?

This issue is not about what some policeman may or may not have done, it is about law and order. All I can say is " Thank God for the cops for without them there would be unchecked hooliganism."


Peter.

[Lucas]

I was going to give a big reply to what has been going on.
But have decided not to.

Because not being politically correct I may offend someone with my opinion

Someone would take offence to my thoughts about what the police should be doing not sitting on there hands

The worse thing is I would be called UnAustralian

Well it's time these goody goodie’s where told to shove it and the offenders taken by force and given the full extent of the law ......... the old way when stuff like this was ummmm..... Not a way of just expressing your view.

Since when is throwing rocks and petrol bombs tolerated

This is the world gone mad

If it isn’t stopped then this great country <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:pla</st1:country-region> will not be so great

If I had have done this when I was younger I would have copped a flogging
firstly by the police then by my dad


ok thats enough
Lucas gets down off his soapbox

think happy thoughts think happy thoughts (rocking in the corner)

[ozwinner]

Because not being politically correct I may offend someone with my opinion


Never stopped me, nor will it.

Al :o

[echnidna]

Nor should it!!!!!!!!!

[craigb]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks Craig, needed a good laugh.

PS. The gang rapist should have got 420 years.

Glad I made your day Dan. :D

42years or 420 years it amounts to the same thing.

For all intents and purposes it's "life".

O.K, he might be "only" 62 when or if he gets out, but that little scumbags life is effectively over. Boo Hoo. NOT!

[Iain]

The only problem now is:
Parole after 6 months for good behaviour.
Weekend leave.
Conjugal visits.
The crap from the do gooders never ends.
Shed a little tear and all is yours, my mum hated me, dad beat me, I was never popular at school so it's all your fault.
Unfortunately these mongrels view compassion as a weakness to be exploited.
Finally I shall come out of my shell, I was in the prison system for 20 years, not in uniform but involved in prosecutions etc, up until the late 80's I would put away up to 10 a week who didn't want to comply with parole, cba or whatever conditions, then the social workers got hold of it and all was OK, they wanted me to be compassionate, for christs sake I was the devils advocate watching each and every one of this dickheads, one foot out of line and bang, back in they went.
The system didn't like it, why, because it worked, they just lost the plot and I got out in 93, had a gutfull of poncy social workers whose idea of great conversation was working out in the office who was gay or straight.
Rant off.

[namtrak]

As a postscript to my earlier post regarding police et al, I am sure most of you will be happy to know that I just got a $78 fine for not carrying my licence (less than 24 hours after ragging on the feds) - teach me to have a pussy opinion. The karma police are at work!!

[craigb]

As a postscript to my earlier post regarding police et al, I am sure most of you will be happy to know that I just got a $78 fine for not carrying my licence (less than 24 hours after ragging on the feds) - teach me to have a pussy opinion. The karma police are at work!!

No mate. I'm not happy to know that you got pinged for such a ridiculous "offence".
That is just revenue raising in my opinion. :(

Anyway, you're entitled to be a left wing pussy :D (your words not mine :) ) .

At least you have the courage of your convictions.

[jackiew]

I still find it hard to get my head round the idea that you have to carry your drivers licence with you. I'm forever swapping it from bag to bag (women's clothes tend to be short on pockets ) and leaving it behind. And what if I'm out driving in the company of a gentleman and don't have a bag at all ( my nan reckons you never need to carry money if you're travelling with a gentleman :D )! Or what if I'm not the one that's driving and my driver becomes incapacitated!

UK system is ( or at least was when I left ) that you get so many days ( 5 from memory ) to front up to the local police station with your licence. much more civilized ( but given the snow they are having at the moment I think civilization is sometimes overrated before SilentC has a go at me )

[namtrak]

It's not the ticket that gets up my nose, it's more that when I walked out of the house after I picked up my licence and put it back down . I dont carry a wallet, so my licence and key card etc are all free wheeling and I only grab them when I need them. For some idiot reason I put the bugger back down before I left. The cop gave me a spiel about enforcing this law because they come across car accidents where they can't ID the bodies, I had to explain to him I wasn't cursing him just my stupid self

[silentC]

Are you complaining about the weather now, Jackie? :rolleyes:

:D :D :D

[jackiew]

The cop gave me a spiel about enforcing this law because they come across car accidents where they can't ID the bodies

The drivers licence may be helpful in helping to identify a body but its hardly an essential

here's a few scenarios to consider

The driver is dead and has ID and his passengers ( who aren't required to carry ID ) are also dead - there are still dead bodies to identify.

A pedestrians ( doesn't have to carry ID) is the victim of a hit and run - you've got a dead body to identify.

The car goes up in smoke and the plastic ID has melted - you've got a dead body to identify.

A house goes up in smoke with the occupants in bed - you've got a dead body to identify.

The driver of the car has someone else's wallet and their drivers licence - you've just identified the WRONG person.

There are two dead women in the car and only one handbag on the floor - you've got a dead body to identify.

Assuming the car isn't nicked then its reasonable to assume that either the registered owner of the car is the dead body or the registered owner of the car knows who the dead body is.

And if the car is nicked then do we care who the dead body is anyway other than trying to find someone to save the state paying for the funeral?

[silentC]

And if either or all have false teeth, you can't even use dental records, which just goes to show how important your choice of toothpaste is.

[namtrak]

vff :D

[DanP]

Jackie,

Even if they are carrying a licence they need to be identified.

However. A person with a licence on them saves hours and possibly even days of investigation into the identity of the person. Meaning the persons
family can be notified soon after the fact. One of the first questions always asked to me by next of kin is, "why did it take so long to tell us" even if it's within an hour or two.

A person with someone elses licence on them is unlikely to be mis-identified, due to the picture on them.

If we get it wrong, it's going to be a bad day at the office, therefore, we make sure of the ID before delivering messages.

As to the rest of the 'what ifs' you posted, it's a good thing most people (90%+) carry some ID on them.

Dan

[Sturdee]

I fail to see the difference between breaking the law in not carrying a licence whilst driving or breaking the law for any other road traffic offence. Why should say not carrying a licence be any different. :(

Licences are only issued after you prove that you know the road laws which includes carrying the licence whilst driving.

What is so difficult with this. :(


Peter.

[Peter R]

There is a very simple and effective solution to riots like Redfern and the recent ones, and I can not think of the name of the place.

But I do not know why the politicians and the police have not thought of it before.

This solution would make everyone happy, the do-gooders,, the snivel Libbers, as Lawsy called them, everyone, even the thugs themselves.

Simple solutions are often missed and obviously this one has been missed also.

Peter R.

[jackiew]

One of the first questions always asked to me by next of kin is, "why did it take so long to tell us" even if it's within an hour or two.



I can only assume that grief makes people totally unreasonable! I don't envy you one little bit having to break bad news, especially if people are going to have a go at you.

I would have expected that telling relatives the same day that you find out the identity of the victim would be pretty good work on the part of the police. If the victim lives on their own then it would be quite reasonable to expect a number of days to pass before relatives were located and informed.

For your sake I hope most people look more like their picture on their drivers licence than I do mine. My photo was redone a few months ago - the previous picture was way way way out of date yet VicRoads would have happily let me keep it.

[beejay1]

UK system is ( or at least was when I left ) that you get so many days ( 5 from memory ) to front up to the local police station with your licence. much more civilized ( but given the snow they are having at the moment I think civilization is sometimes overrated before SilentC has a go at me )
Still applies but for certain offences we now have on the spot fines plus more speed cameras than you can imagine, which means huge revenue for the police force. Its worth £Millions every year. But that said, yes we are terribly civilised over here, and Jackie, all you little possums over there will be one day too,,,its just going to take a little time. HRH current visit to your country must be an inspiration to you all and he will visit again one day i'm sure.
The snow? well, we take that in our stride over here, were a tough lot you know and nothing gets us down besides , the cool weather does wonders for our complexions, porcelaine like skin and no need for that zincy stuff that you all have to put on your noses, and of course our young ladies dont ride bicycles wearing bikinis so we dont have old men leering at them or taking photographs of them to post on forums for dirty old men to talk about, so yes, all in all, this is a damn good place to be. Come and visit sometime.
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[Iain]

the cool weather does wonders for our complexions, porcelaine like skin
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Isn't Lenny Henry a Pom??? :D :D :D
Porcelain complexion indeed :rolleyes:
And this is the back yard at our other place at Falls Creek :p

[beejay1]

Isn't Lenny Henry a Pom??? :D :D :D
Porcelain complexion indeed :rolleyes:

Ah, yes he is Iain but he holidays abroad with his mates every couple of months,,wouldnt you if you were married to Dawn French?http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif
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[Iain]

Touche, bastard :mad: :mad: :mad: ;)

[beejay1]

Is that your lovely daughter on the skis, the one who had the accident, glad to see she takes after her mother, as mine does, lovely girl. Hope shes well.

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[Iain]

Yes it is but it wads taken a few years ago, she's a bit taller now and needs longer ski's, I might add we only XC, hate downhill, no fun at all.
And the reference to questionable parentage was in the nicest possible way :D :D :D local term of endearment, but I prefer to be called MR. Bastard :rolleyes:

[Rocker]

that said, yes we are terribly civilised over here, and Jackie, all you little possums over there will be one day too,,,its just going to take a little time. HRH current visit to your country must be an inspiration to you all and he will visit again one day i'm sure.
yes, all in all, this is a damn good place to be. Come and visit sometime.


beejay,

I visit the UK every few years to catch up with the rellos, but I wouldn't live there for quids. The place is grossly overcrowded, the cost of living, particularly petrol, food, and housing, is horrendous. And the weather is endlessly depressing. Can't think how you put up with it. Come and visit sometime.

Rocker

[beejay1]

beejay,

I visit the UK every few years to catch up with the rellos, but I wouldn't live there for quids. The place is grossly overcrowded, the cost of living, particularly petrol, food, and housing, is horrendous. And the weather is endlessly depressing. Can't think how you put up with it. Come and visit sometime.

Rocker
Well rocker, someones got to fly the flag. Your observations are somewhat understated however, UK is the absolute pits of a place to live but I guess its what you get used to. Every place is a mix of good and bad unfortunately our mix is more weighted the wrong way. But hell Im not complaining it'll be spring soon and the rains and flooding will be with us, the birds are singin' and ive stopped wearing my thermal undies now, until May, when summer moves to Autumn and the golden leaves begin to fall, clogging up the drains. Im eagerly anticipating putting down the roof on the little roadster for a few days as the long term forecast is quite good for the summer, so that will be fun, fresh air(only 30% smog content) and the wind blowing through my hair, whats left of it anyway,makes you feel its good to be alive.
We may splash out this year and have a couple of days holiday in Skegness, we are quite well off so what the hell, a paddle in the sea, pie and chips on the promenade, its what memories are made of. I'll even post a couple of piccies for the forum.
I said we may have a holiday, but that depends on how much the quarterly gas bill is of course. It could be a biggy this time as weve had the central heating on twice this month but only on Sunday nights and only for three hours, just to get warmed up a bit and in the mood, if you get my drift http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon12.gif
but we'll see how it goes.
We are one of the fortunates as we own our house, or will do in 2150 when the mortgage is paid up, so you see, we have security which is more than others do over here.
Anyhow Rocker Im telling you this in confidence so please keep it to yourself. Ive enjoyed our little chat... which could be our last....as I think i now wish to go to my wee workshop and shoot myself.
Thanks Rocker for raising my spirits youre a real pal. Bastard!!!!http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon7.gif

If I ever do visit Oz again would some of you hold a bbq for me, ive not had prawns since 1989.
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[Sturdee]

HRH current visit to your country must be an inspiration to you all and he will visit again one day i'm sure.



Yes, on the day that we become a republic. Even Charlie thinks that it is inevitable that we will become one and that he will never become a King of Australia. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12415387%255E662,00.html)

And if he wants to come and visit us after that he can pay his own way instead of sponging of Aussie's taxpayers to the tune of $ 1M for this little jaunt. :( :( :( And he's not even visiting Al's Craporium . :D :D :D


Peter.

[beejay1]

Yes, on the day that we become a republic. Even Charlie thinks that it is inevitable that we will become one and that he will never become a King of Australia. (http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,12415387%255E662,00.html)

And if he wants to come and visit us after that he can pay his own way instead of sponging of Aussie's taxpayers to the tune of $ 1M for this little jaunt. :( :( :( And he's not even visiting Al's Craporium . :D :D :D Peter.
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[Iain]

I noticed he snaffeled a bottle of VIC olive oil on his tour of Melb, what taste the man has..............................in olive oil :D :D :D
Maybe we could sell one of our polo ponies, a real winner, out of Al's league :rolleyes: :p ;) :D

[jackiew]

Come and visit sometime.

I'm going back to see the relatives in a couple of weeks - I'm hoping the weather picks up a bit before I arrive as my mum isn't going to be too pleased if I stack her car on ice. My sister has apparently been saving some wallpaper stripping for me :) - very therapeutic stripping wallpaper - I'll probably need the therapy after tackling the traffic jams on the M25 again.

Anyone got any recommendations for good places to visit in the west country - haven't been down there since I was a kid.

[craigb]

Well rocker, someones got to fly the flag. Your observations are somewhat understated however, UK is the absolute pits of a place to live but I guess its what you get used to. Every place is a mix of good and bad unfortunately our mix is more weighted the wrong way. But hell Im not complaining it'll be spring soon and the rains and flooding will be with us, the birds are singin' and ive stopped wearing my thermal undies now, until May, when summer moves to Autumn and the golden leaves begin to fall, clogging up the drains. Im eagerly anticipating putting down the roof on the little roadster for a few days as the long term forecast is quite good for the summer, so that will be fun, fresh air(only 30% smog content) and the wind blowing through my hair, whats left of it anyway,makes you feel its good to be alive.
We may splash out this year and have a couple of days holiday in Skegness, we are quite well off so what the hell, a paddle in the sea, pie and chips on the promenade, its what memories are made of. I'll even post a couple of piccies for the forum.
I said we may have a holiday, but that depends on how much the quarterly gas bill is of course. It could be a biggy this time as weve had the central heating on twice this month but only on Sunday nights and only for three hours, just to get warmed up a bit and in the mood, if you get my drift http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon12.gif
but we'll see how it goes.
We are one of the fortunates as we own our house, or will do in 2150 when the mortgage is paid up, so you see, we have security which is more than others do over here.
Anyhow Rocker Im telling you this in confidence so please keep it to yourself. Ive enjoyed our little chat... which could be our last....as I think i now wish to go to my wee workshop and shoot myself.
Thanks Rocker for raising my spirits youre a real pal. Bastard!!!!http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon7.gif

If I ever do visit Oz again would some of you hold a bbq for me, ive not had prawns since 1989.
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:D :D :D

You forgot to mention that you have a crap cricket team as well ;)

:D

[beejay1]

You forgot to mention that you have a crap cricket team as well ;)

Oh no I didnt, I just didnt want to be seen to be agreeing with you lot, that wouldnt do would it, any way crickets for poofters, footies the game and you lot suck at that. That version youve got your poor players cant even afford shirts with sleeves, http://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gifhttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon10.gif

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[craigb]

Footy?

We taliking Rugby (been beaten by Wales Scotland and Ireland recently haven't you?) or that nancy boy game we call soccer. :D

[beejay1]

Footy?

We taliking Rugby (been beaten by Wales Scotland and Ireland recently haven't you?) or that nancy boy game we call soccer. :D
That was really insulting Craighttp://www.woodworkforums.ubeaut.com.au/images/icons/icon7.gif Im Scottish. How would you like it if I said Aussiie blokes were gentlemen,,, eh........exactly,,, not nice is it?
Any way Rugby's for poofters as well, stupid game, no rules and played by overweight monkies. Footy on the other hand, skill, finesse, brainpower, strategy, all the qualities required by the top athletes, thats what were talkin' about here.
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[beejay1]

Now I know that all of you webbies and the surfers and the likes will be frantically checkin out the origins of the British game Soccer and youll be coming back with things like

" invented by Mongols kicking decapitated heads around" or " Red indians kicking stuffed animal skins and the likes"

Dont waste your time guys. We invented it. Its British, always has been always will be. We are footy, not the germans, not the brazilians, not the dutch, The BRITISH. In fact, its possible that Alex Ferguson is the reincarnation of the guy that actually invented it so that would mean ,,,,,yes ,,,its Scottish. God Im getting wet again.
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[echnidna]

........ God Im getting wet again.
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Well you shoulda gone to the loo instead of getting worked up about succer. :eek:

[dazzler]

My brother loves soccer but I reckon its boring as.

Wouldnt it be great if they didnt have goalies and the field was shaped like a triangle and there were three teams playing at once!

cool!

[Daddles]

Don't pick on football/soccer. After what I've paid this year in club fees and equiptment so me lad can play, it's gotta be the duck's guts. I can't believe pre-season training started the first week of school and he has his first trial game next week. Hell, he hasn't even finished the cricket season yet. For the next couple of months I'll have cricket on saturday and soccer on sunday, with one session of cricket training and two of soccer during the week. No wonder the kid's fit. I'm just exhausted.

Cheers
Richard

[dazzler]

As a postscript to my earlier post regarding police et al, I am sure most of you will be happy to know that I just got a $78 fine for not carrying my licence (less than 24 hours after ragging on the feds) - teach me to have a pussy opinion. The karma police are at work!!
Hey namtrak,

I used to knock people off for no licence to get my quota up, :confused: , or was that to raise revenue......damn I forget which now;)

cheers

dazzler

[beejay1]

Don't pick on football/soccer. After what I've paid this year in club fees and equiptment so me lad can play, it's gotta be the duck's guts. I can't believe pre-season training started the first week of school and he has his first trial game next week. Hell, he hasn't even finished the cricket season yet. For the next couple of months I'll have cricket on saturday and soccer on sunday, with one session of cricket training and two of soccer during the week. No wonder the kid's fit. I'm just exhausted.

Cheers
Richard
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[namtrak]

Hey namtrak,

I used to knock people off for no licence
.....................cheers

dazzler


Jeez that's a bit rough, this lad only fined me $78 - glad I wasn't knocked off

:)

[Iain]

Australian Rules
aka arial ping pong where the players are so inept and unskilled that they have an additional set of goal posts and get awarded points for almost scoring a goal.
They are big but not tough, just oversensitive little souls who have tantrums when they nearly scored, hence the additional set.
God I hate football.....................