G'day folks...help with old english oak desk please.

[Christos]

The light of enlightenment! So, really..this forum IS a front for a cult then!?? :roll:

Now hang on a minute. I like to think we are enthusiast. :U

[rustynail]

It's like a light just went on!
Some years ago, while working on the construction of Maquarie University, I had the pleasure of supervising two Irish chippies. One answered to Black and the other insisted his name was White. They were from opposite ends of the Emerald Isle and bickered endlessly. Yet they still managed to work together. One morning Mr Black was going to go down to the lower floor so Mr White asked him to plug in the extension lead while he was down there. Mr Black obligingly agreed. Upon his return he was confronted by Mr White, demanding to know why his request had not been carried out. Mr Black, quick to his own defence, insisted that he had plugged it in as requested. Mr White asked if he had turned it on. To which Mr Black responded by stating he wasn't asked to.
as I was aware of one Irishman involved in this thread and not being privy to the origins of others, I thought it best to take the necessary precaution.:D

[pmcgee]

Hi Lawry - doing a great job.

How good is the help and advice? And we all benefit from it.

I saw this this morning, and thought you might like it, and maybe WW+HO might having something to say about it.

Peter Gedrys ... at a seminar/convention ... the man loves shellac.
(Beware 53mins. I hadn't planned to watch it all. Wrong.)
Finishing Seminar with Peter Gedrys - YouTube

Cheers,
Paul.

[Lawry01]

Thanks Paul....yup, I am so impressed by how everyone's advice and generous time has helped here. I've actually been raving to heaps of people about this forum, as I am a member of a couple of others, still very good, but this is awesome. From WW & HC particularly, I reckon I have learned the equivalent of 6 months at TAFE!! (Yes I know WW....result is in the 'pudding'!) I also reckon its great that so many others can benefit (I wonder just how many have been lurking here??)

Will check out the youtube clip when our exchange upgrades to ADSL2!! We're a bit on the cusp of civilization here at Mt. cotton..being held to ransom by our major telecomms providor! 53 minutes will take me a couple of hours to view!

Schedule at this stage is...tomorow afternoon rub back with oooo, have another go at cleaning the leather (whats the strongest yet safe approach you reckon I should use on it, given its poor condittion?) then start waxing the whole baby, and stand back in awe for a short while. :2tsup::2tsup:

[seriph1]

an interesting, informative and entertaining thread indeed .... and though too modest to say so himself, I will state that Monsieur WoodWould is among the best restorers I have seen. But not only that, he is an exceptional maker as illustrated by these, which he made with his own hands.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/members/13149-woodwould/albums/woodwould-s-furniture/8434-giiedt-220312-01a.jpg

http://www.woodworkforums.com/members/13149-woodwould/albums/woodwould-s-furniture/8974-giiimkhd-180512-01a.jpg

[Woodwould]

Hi Lawry - doing a great job.

How good is the help and advice? And we all benefit from it.

I saw this this morning, and thought you might like it, and maybe WW+HO might having something to say about it.

Peter Gedrys ... at a seminar/convention ... the man loves shellac.
(Beware 53mins. I hadn't planned to watch it all. Wrong.)
Finishing Seminar with Peter Gedrys - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xErUsgT7f4M)

Cheers,
Paul.
I don't have 53 minutes to spare, but if someone would like to run a precis past me, I'll attempt a response.


Schedule at this stage is...tomorow afternoon rub back with oooo, have another go at cleaning the leather (whats the strongest yet safe approach you reckon I should use on it, given its poor condittion?)
Assuming the leather is attached to the desk, I would wax the whole desk, leather and all. If the leather has lifted in places, squeeze a little paste under it and let it dry before proceeding.


an interesting, informative and entertaining thread indeed .... and though too modest to say so himself, I will state that Monsieur WoodWould is among the best restorers I have seen. But not only that, he is an exceptional maker as illustrated by these, which he made with his own hands.

:B

[Horsecroft88]

Paul, (pmcgee) very kindly posted the youtube link to Peter Gedrys video on finishes and asked the question of both WW and myself. Now obviously, I can't comment on WW's views re this, and for myself as an amature wood worker/polisher, rather than a professional, the first comment I would make is I for one am certainly not going to disagree with Peter's views based on I think he said his 26 years of experience.

So, my first impressions are yes, what he said and demonstrated made total sense to me and I believe quite correct. His comments and demonstrations in regards to the use of varnish type products, the equipment used, brushes, sanding etc, to me seem spot on. I too do pretty much as he suggests, but even I too learned a few minor technique improvements I can implement in future. I also agree with his views re Tung oil/vrs Tung oil based oil finishes. I use such finishes on floors, bench tops, cupboard doors in wet rooms etc. No dramas with them, and if scratched and/or worn you simply need to key back and re-coat.

As to his views on shellac finishes, the application of etc. I totally agree with him. From my view, once used to using shellac it is one of the easiest and nicest finishes to apply. Given I am mostly restoring antiques, and/or antique joinery, I rarely would even consider using any other finish. If you are worried re its use on tables or chairs, due to damage, heat/water etc, then you can always consider using something like Hard Shellac. Refer to Ubeauts website re this. But as a rule I am not worried re using shellac on such items, I always wipe up and never apply hot items to such polished surfaces.

Some of the coating techniques Peter described perhaps I might ever so slightly differ in my approach, but fundamentally I wouldnt do anything different from what he did. If using a brush, and I will always use this on complex areas on a piece, (carvings, mouldings etc) to me that is an obvious application method, but I will also use on large areas if I feel I need to or it is easier to do so. Like Peter, I have shellaced finished a wooden wall surface at my country property, let alone skirtings, doors, mantles etc.

His advice re using a pad (and I too make a pad as he suggests), on flat surfaces, however makes good sense and most definitely if you are after a perfect finish on say a table top. The risk of using a brush on such areas are if your technique is not spot on, and this is even more of a problem if the flat surface is on the vertical, is that you can get runs in the finish, which you will need to rub out (with sandpaper). I noted he too advocated the use of sandpaper between coats, not steel wool. I agree with this. The key being the grade of paper.

What he didn't explain, but I think I have previously in this thread is that as I apply more coats of shellac in 3 stages of say 3 applications that I change fup rom 260 grade paper up to 400 on the last sanding back. But then again, I am mostly after a really fine/silky finish, given this is what appeals to me, and mostly be it furniture or joinery I am after a fine french polished lustrous finish. If you are not, then less can be more if that makes sense.

However, I always finish off with super fine 0000 grade steel wool before I wax polish.

For someone, perhaps less experienced in the different types of finishes and their applications, my view is that this video is an excellent reference to watch.

[Lawry01]

WOW..HC..a great review of the clip..I havent watched it as yet, but already I'm having a sense of my grasshopper status being re-affirmed.. so much more to learn! :oo: All good though...

Havent had a chance to get to the final stages yet..hopeful for tomorrow afternoon work permiting. (boy, work really does violate my time!!)

[Woodwould]

Havent had a chance to get to the final stages yet..hopeful for tomorrow afternoon work permiting. (boy, work really does violate my time!!)Work is the curse of the drinking class.

[Lawry01]

Work is the curse of the drinking class.

Cheers...I'll drink to that...sooner than later!! In fact...its after 5.00..now sounds good!

[Horsecroft88]

Gees guys I am with you, 1st after getting home from work a decent homebrew, now enjoying a nice glass of red. I am sure it all helps. Hey grasshopper, in truth mate you have moved on from being a complete novice, given how far you have come on this journey of learning. Keep us posted on how your desk looks after the waxing stage. Then as the glow from what you have achieved, when ready there is your next project. I have posted some pics of my next projects plus request for advice from the learned ones on the forum

[Lawry01]

Well folks.....as of red wine time last night, the project has come to a close!! :D:D:D:D:D
Pics attached from the proud dad of this newly restored old desk!! I'm sitting here enjoyng the scent of freshly waxed furniture with a fantastic old world feel!

Firstly, many many thanks to all who have helped with this..feels very much like a group effort, so you need to come over and enjoy a red and a cigar around it!! (bit of secret mens'business stuff) Huge grattitude particularly to WW & HC for your incredible on-line tutoring!! :2tsup:

WHilst the end result is certainly not pristine, I reckon given what I had to work with, my grasshopper status, and your guidance, we have come up trumps with a beautiful piece that will grace my home office/ study/'smoking room' for many years, and hopefully decades to come.

Something I will do soon, as a way of consolidating and thanking you all, is to post my 'lessons learned' This migh be useful for some others who have been enjoying being part of our travels with this project. Meantime, a litle break before I show you my next project (small one )

Cheers, Lawry:)

[Woodwould]

:thyel: Congratulations on a job well done! You're bound to be happy with that!

[Chief012]

Great result, especially considering what you started with!

Enjoy a glass of red for me in celebration,..maybe wait till after lunch though! :)

[Horsecroft88]

Damned nice job there Lawry :2tsup:, you indeed should be really happy with the end results. I did say that it would provide you with a big grin :D. I also always love that final stage where all the hard work comes together in a big rush as you buff off the wax and can stand back and admire it.

I can tell you one other thing, (regardless that it wasn't the purpose), you will have added value to your desk.

Considering what you started with, mate you have definitely have earned your wings and no longer need to consider yourself a "grasshopper". Would be most proud to sit down over a red, a cigar with you and admire your efforts. Oh well nice idea.