Looking for old barbed wire

[springwater]

Has anyone any rusty old barbed wire lying around they don't need? I'm after about 40 metres. I've previously found a few metres half buried in sand which was a thicker gauage than what's around now, it also seemed to be made of better steel than the new stuff. I don't mind how rusty it is, even if it's deteriorated to th point of being able to be broken by hand.

[cookie48]

There are plenty of old farm dumps around here with it in. Bit hard to put into post tho.

[Bushmiller]

Has anyone any rusty old barbed wire lying around they don't need? I'm after about 40 metres. I've previously found a few metres half buried in sand which was a thicker gauage than what's around now, it also seemed to be made of better steel than the new stuff. I don't mind how rusty it is, even if it's deteriorated to th point of being able to be broken by hand.

Springwater

There are two types of barbed wire. The old style is made from soft steel and is, I think called "Iowa" pattern while the modern wire is high tensile and of a thinner gauge, although it has a higher breaking strain (when new). The soft wire may still be available new, but I am sure if you called in at almost any farm they would have some old wire lying around that you could use.

Regards
Paul

[springwater]

:2tsup: Thanks cookie :U aand Bushmiller thanks for explaining the difference in wire, Im definately after the old stuff the more pitted with rust the better...to a degree, I'm guessing I'll have to go down a long driveway or two :-

[underfoot]

Has anyone any rusty old barbed wire lying around .
Hey Spring...if you have trouble getting some rusty wire...toss some new stuff in a fire it'll rust in no time..(a bit of vinegar will speed it up a bit too)

[Toggy]

Had you bothered to put in your location; possibly one of us close by may have offered you some.

Ken

[springwater]

Hey Spring...if you have trouble getting some rusty wire...toss some new stuff in a fire it'll rust in no time..(a bit of vinegar will speed it up a bit too)

Yeah, I'm hoping I won't have to resort to that Undie but thanks anyway.


Had you bothered to put in your location; possibly one of us close by may have offered you some.

Ken

Soprry about that Toggy, I just left it that way when I was in between addresses, your're right, would have been handy in this situation :rolleyes: I live in Somers, near Westernport Bay, Victoria. By the way, you being from Kyabram, have you heard of a bloke called John Anderson who was born in Kyabram? He was a poet and wrote of the decline of a "gum" he called a "dida" gum, do you know what a "dida" gum is?

[Toggy]

Springwood,

never heard of John Anderson; but being into poetry would have meant that I steered clear of him. Poetry & the arts are not high on my list of priorities. As to the 'dida' gum; NFI. Some poets seem to live in fairy land, so may be a figment of his imagination.

How much barbed wire do you need, and when. I have about 400 metres of genuine ungalvanised and annealed to be available in the near future. The truth of the matter is that a couple of years ago (3/12) to be exact the hay press caught on fire and burnt it, about 10 acres as well as getting into 2 neighbours porperties. Singed the ancient boundary fence pretty well so it has to be replaced.

Ken

[springwater]

I need 40 metres or so thanks Ken but I'd take the lot if it's in your way, as long as it could fit into a car boot and/or the back seat. I can't see myself getting up to Kyabram this year, it's possible but mid/late January or Febuary seems more possible at the moment. I don't mind taking the wire off if it's still fixed if that helps?

[Grumpy John]

Someone's gotta ask....................................
Whaddya need 40 metres of rusty barbed wire for? :D

[springwater]

Someone's gotta ask....................................
Whaddya need 40 metres of rusty barbed wire for? :D

I'm weaving a canoe :D

[Grumpy John]

I'm weaving a canoe :D

This calls for a WIP. You know the rules, if there's no photo's it didn't happen :rolleyes:.

[AlexS]

Might see you when it's finished, Springwater. I'm often up that creek m'self.

[RETIRED]

Remember, no paddles allowed.:wink:

[Toggy]

The fence is still sort of standing. I will make some enquiries with the fencer as to when he can put up the replacement; and start dismantling the old one. Just have to work out how to keep the neighbours big black grass rats out.
I would not be putting this anywhere near the back seat of a car. It will shred several pairs of heavy leather gloves just dismantling; so imagine what it will do to upholstery.
I have 2 kids down that way; Rosebud and Tyabb, so we will work something out.

Maybe we could set some up outside the front door of 's shed.:D


Ken

[springwater]

Thanks heaps Toggy just give us a yell when your're ready :2tsup:

[springwater]

I would not be putting this anywhere near the back seat of a car. It will shred several pairs of heavy leather gloves just dismantling; so imagine what it will do to upholstery.


Just a thought, geez! I miss my one ton :C

[RETIRED]

Maybe we could set some up outside the front door of 's shed.:D:q

[springwater]

Might see you when it's finished, Springwater. I'm often up that creek m'self.

Well at least we'll have something to talk about :D

[Toggy]

Springwater,

Harvesting, packing & storing of your crop was completed today.:D:D

Good guess; two pairs of shredded gloves; would have been 3 if I had them.
Plenty of was wounds and claret from me as well.

Have I said how much I hate working with barbed wire...

Ken

[RETIRED]

Springwater,

Harvesting, packing & storing of your crop was completed today.:D:D

Good guess; two pairs of shredded gloves; would have been 3 if I had them.
Plenty of was wounds and claret from me as well.

Have I said how much I hate working with barbed wire...

KenNo, but I am guessing. NOT A LOT??:wink:

[springwater]

Springwater,

Harvesting, packing & storing of your crop was completed today.:D:D

Good guess; two pairs of shredded gloves; would have been 3 if I had them.
Plenty of was wounds and claret from me as well.

Have I said how much I hate working with barbed wire...

Ken

Thanks Toggy, I've got a few pairs of leather riggers gloves tucked away somewhere that you could have if that's any compensation and I reckon I could muster a bit of claret of the amber kind if that'd help your pain?

So what'll we do about moving the wire? I'll do waht I have to to shift it, no rush though but I can still move fairly quickly...I think :D

[Toggy]

SW,

The barb is rolled into coils and stacked out of the way. It's not any problem where it is at the moment (unless I get the scrappie in to get rid of the young blokes escort van beside it. Major cleanup and updates going on with view of putting the place on the market in the new year.
I will be going to Rosebud for Xmas in my ute, but the Mrs will want the front seat and other gear & dogs get the back. Of course the dogs would rather the front with the airconditioner; but I can see the Mrs putting up a fight about having the back.

Actually the wire is in better nick than the box posts. Out of 36 of them I doubt if there will be a weeks winter heating in them.

Ken

[springwater]

I hope Xmas's weather is mild the for your dogs sake at least then. Thanks very much for bringing down the barb Toggy, it's probably the best time too as I'll get a little breather from work before next year to put it into action.

I'll PM send you some details

[springwater]

Hi Ken, I'm sorry I just missed your call and I can't call you back. I'll be home Thursday arvo and most of Friday so hope to see you then.

[springwater]

After leaving work behind for the last time this year :cool: I pulled into our driveway and saw two big rolls of barbed wire that Ken had dropped off :thanx2: I'm so stoked, it's just what I wanted, thanks heaps Ken :thyel: Unfortunatley we didn't get to meet up though and that no one was here to greet him with a cuppa as the better half was called into work out of the blue :grumble:

Just so you get the picture here's the barb. The re-configured carcass as yet without all the barb or front-end modifications and other stuff. The general construction method. And a small length of barb weaved in. Pretty sure it's not gunna be a tip toe amongst the tulips getting this one done :whistling2:
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[springwater]

Well the pointy nose pliers slipped off the fenceing wire as I was forcefully pulling it through a few holes and I copped the pointy end up me nose and at the same time punched myself in the head :- :doh:

:rolleyes:...backyard wacker :D

[tea lady]

Well the pointy nose pliers slipped off the fenceing wire as I was forcefully pulling it through a few holes and I copped the pointy end up me nose and at the same time punched myself in the head :- :doh:

:rolleyes:...backyard wacker :D:rofl: ..... Oh! Sorry! Do you need a band aid? :U:bandaid:

Be careful though! My uncle lost an eye to barbed wire flicking up and getting him! :C:) Do you have any safety glasses? Go and put them on! ::cool:

[springwater]

I'm only using safety glasses when I'm using the angle grinder with the wire brush attachment deep from hell...and I'm lying :- I've gotten to know that fencing wire wants to go back the way it was and one must put in a little time persuading it to do otherwise :cool:

[springwater]

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[tea lady]

you should make that your avitar! :D

[tea lady]

Looks really interesting apart from the shnoz! :U

[springwater]

you should make that your avitar! :D

:D yeah though I'm not sure me bloody shnoz should replace a Tibetan prayer tent.


Looks really interesting apart from the shnoz! :U

Thanks tl, it started off life as something else I didn't complete then hung around for ages until the canoe idea came along. I'm sort of grateful something has come of it as it represents a lot of walks collecting all the bits. This sould be the last day of threading wire then it's on to weaving the barb and other stuff into it.

:) Beaudiful day here, I could really get used to holidays, only five days 'til it's back to the coal mine :(

[tea lady]

:) Beaudiful day here, I could really get used to holidays, only five days 'til it's back to the coal mine :(Yes! I was pondering a trip to the beach! But I will probably just go to the local pool! Just a bit broke! And even petrol costs are too much! :C

[springwater]

Maybe put off beach ponder for a little while cause it's gunna preddy hot with a northerly on the way, your welcome to set up camp here if ya want :)

[springwater]

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[tea lady]

Are they part of the sculpture? :U

[Terry B]

A very interesting project. Good luck with it.

[springwater]

Thanks Terry

[springwater]

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That's it for the second pair. TIP: Use the other side of your gloves
when the right side wears out, they feel a bit awkward at first
but you get used to it :cool:

[underfoot]

Looking good Spring:2tsup:..can't wait to see where you take it..

[tea lady]

Love it! :2tsup:

[springwater]

Thanks tl & Undy :) barb wiring is nearly done now with just a few more holes to plug :rolleyes: I can hardly lift it in and out of the shed to work on it now but it's strong as with most of the barb running full length it could handle being suspended I suppose which is probably the most practical way of displaying it and keeping it out of kiddies way :-

[springwater]

IYI the threadings done using all but one of Toggys' rolls of barbed wire :2tsup: I can hardly move it :- I'd like to see how some enameled copper flowers would go but it seems beyond getting done at the moment partly because I think I need a tear dropped anvil to shape the petals :? like I know where one is :rolleyes: Maybe a rock would do?

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[Sturdee]

I think I need a tear dropped anvil to shape the petals :? like I know where one is :rolleyes: Maybe a rock would do?


Craig,


Would this help to make your petals, if so you can borrow it any time.


Peter.

[springwater]

G'day Pete thanks for the thought, that'd be great for larger flower petals but I'm wanting to make something more like rosebudst where the petals are still wrapped around each other or just unfurling. I'm not sure I'm capable of doing it though as my fingers aren't as good as they used to be especially now after all the wire work they're creeking a bit. I wonder if lead sheet might be better to form? Or cast them?? I think I'll be needing about 80 or so and I'd like to colour them about fire engine red and/or cream, but other things are getting in the way at the mo.

Hoping you're getting along well Pete! Let me know if you need an extra hand or two albeit creeky ones :U

[petersemple]

My wife has a gold rose that was an actual rose that was then dipped in molten gold. I know that gold melts at relatively low temps, and higher temp may not work. Lead might work though. This would only work if you wanted them the same size as a real one though.

[springwater]

G'day Pete, woah, you mean the molten gold formed around the rose and the rose stood up to it :? What a treasure that'd be! Pretty sure I wouldn't be able to afford that way :p anyway gold would've suited :- I've thought of dipping a rose in resin but it'd look like a rose dipped in resin :rolleyes: I'd like the surface to look like one of those old knocked about model toy cars (I'm thinking e-type Jag), I think they were cast lead, then enameled or those old enameled tin kitchen bowls showing their age.

[Bushmiller]

Craig,


Would this help to make your petals, if so you can borrow it any time.


Peter.

Springwater, you may be able to use that as a last resort:rolleyes:.

Have you considered using aluminium from drink cans? Easy to fashion, readily available, glue them together and once they have a bit of shape would increase in strength. Treat them with "Penetrol" and then spray paint. If using a spray can, give a very light spray first from a distance until a little paint has built up as the propellant reacts with the Penetrol and blisters. No problems if using a spray gun.

When you first asked for the rusted barbed wire I wondered where you were going with it, but it has developed into an intriguing project.

Regards
Paul

[springwater]

No I hadn't thought of aluminium from drink cans Bushy, thanks. Maybe because of an aversion to the stuff which developed as a nipper at the cricket looking down the vein that runs down my thumb opened by a slash while attempting to make a half sized can from a full sized one, it was all the rage then, lost a bit of blood by the time I made it back to the old man.

Anyway, it wouldn't take long to give it a go I suppose although I'm having trouble imagining forming the bud shape even with thin sheets of metal without a male/female die/stamp kind of thingy which would be expensive and only produce a repetitive shape anyway. I dunno, getting something to look like a bud is one thing, then there's the stalk and connecting to it, let alone the leaves and the coating... arh, might sleep on it for now.

[underfoot]

I I'd like to see how some enameled copper flowers would go ]
copper sheet (heated and allowed to cool slowly) is as soft as..and really easy to form over a hardwood form or hammered into a wood hollow..
also..heated copper quenched in... umm..something ..(hot water or oil ..I can't recall) makes it go bright red..
Piece is looking great BTW :2tsup:

[springwater]

Thanks Undyman! It's neck and neck between copper and lead in the malleable stakes at the mo. I'm still not sure flower buds are the way to go, it sort of just came into my head and I'm too tired to know if that's the way it should go and I'm concerned that if I move on with something else beckoning dust'll settle on the canoe...Que Sera, Sera :)

[springwater]

I made a start on the metal roses after finding some old ice cream and Kero tins that were already rusting out. Forgot to take a pic of them before I attacked them with the good old Gilbow tin snips but the Kero tin had a really nice turned handle that'll come in handy one day. I'm not sure of the other flavours but one tin still had a faded Honey Butternut sticker on it.

I couldn't get the sahpe of a rose bud I wanted as I couldn't bend or beat the metal both breadth and height wise but I did as well as I could hammering it cold over a Iron Bark nob anvil I made up, it's just not as rose buddy as I'd have liked it. It takes eight layers of four petals to make one and until I work out how to attach the stem I'll leave off making the centre.

I bought some red spray enamel paint which is intended for touch ups on car engine motors that'll do for a bit of colour, then I leave them out in the elements to rust up awhile through winter. They may look best as a bouquet rather than dotted around the canoe, have to wait and see.

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[tea lady]

Love it too.:2tsup::U

[Bushmiller]

Excellent

Regards
Paul

[springwater]

Thanks tl and Bushy, got a bit more done today which included a fight with the Honey Butterscotch icecream residue gunk coating, had to resort to 120 gsm emery paper to remove most of it :oo: The things ya gotta do :rolleyes: :U

[Sturdee]

Looking good Craig. :2tsup:


Peter.

[springwater]

Thanks Peter, that shoe last you offered prolly would have come in handy after all but I adapted to beating the tin with a 8oz ball peen over a sledge hammer head and an iron bark anvil thingy I made up :-

[Sturdee]

that shoe last you offered prolly would have come in handy after all

Still available if you need it.


Peter.

[springwater]

Still available if you need it.


Peter.

Thanks Peter, I think I've just about got it licked except for the stem connection which I might even have to resort to making with wood and real rose thorns, dunno, thinking, thinking :rolleyes::)

[springwater]

Just warm enough to give the petal layers a spray of red which will be mostly obliterated later, just need a hint of red, the rest will be left to rust. After a raid on the better half’s craft stash, the dots are to keep the paint away from a possible glue area as I may have to glue the pieces together depending on the stem connection method, if I ever come up with one :-:)
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[tea lady]

Ooooooh! Red. :U

[springwater]

Ooooooh! Red. :U
yep, given half a chance and she would've had a go eating one too :oo:

[tea lady]

[QUOTE=springwater;1491853]yep, given half a chance and she would've had a go eating one too :oo:[/QUOTEAddad patina? :D

[NCArcher]

a fight with the Honey Butterscotch icecream residue gunk coating,


I think I've just about got it licked

:yuk: :D

Looking good Springy. I'm constantly amazed at the amount of work you put into a piece. No wonder your hands are getting sore.

[springwater]

:yuk: :D

Looking good Springy. I'm constantly amazed at the amount of work you put into a piece. No wonder your hands are getting sore.

Thanks Archer. The labels had all but worn off, the tin was mostly rusty but under the gray honey butterscotch gunk the tin remained shiny, I think I'm on to something :D My hands have healed well now and feel strong as, tell ya though, weaving the barbed wire was murder :oo:

[springwater]

[QUOTE=springwater;1491853]yep, given half a chance and she would've had a go eating one too :oo:[/QUOTEAddad patina? :D

I tell you what, I've learnt the hard way, she likes to help, which is good, she's keen :rolleyes: she's still developing her patinaring methods, although she's mastered the slobbered freyed look :- so I've placed a washing basin filled with offcuts on her level so she can patina away to her hearts content, down side is I've lost a lot of bench top space :doh::U

[tea lady]

[quote=tea lady;1491877]

I tell you what, I've learnt the hard way, she likes to help, which is good, she's keen :rolleyes: she's still developing her patinaring methods, although she's mastered the slobbered freyed look :- so I've placed a washing basin filled with offcuts on her level so she can patina away to her hearts content, down side is I've lost a lot of bench top space :doh::UWas she trying to help with the butterscotch removal? :think:

[springwater]

After toing and froing, bit the bullet and roughed out some stems from tea tree roots 'cause I need to keep things going. They'll be drilled and cupped to seat the layed petal arrangement and hopefully accept a bolt and nut that'll be glued down the middle (ish) :oo:

Not that happy with the awkward petal connection solution :rolleyes: really and that I'm thinking of seating some rose thorns into the stem :- but we're getting somewhere, I'm sure :)
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[Claw Hama]

Wow Springy, I turn my back for a minute (well a few months) and look at what you've done!! Fantastic, you're work is just getting richer and deeper, great stuff:2tsup::U

[springwater]

Nothing compared to what's going to come out of your new abode I bet, loved the last one but great to see you with more room about onya :2tsup:

[Claw Hama]

Thanks Springy but I think you have far more imagination than I have. I'll just have to put in the practice. Anyway, yours looks a treat:2tsup:

[springwater]

Just a bit of oh so little time to start shaping up the all important outer petals today. I used a modified head of an eight inch spike and then a rounded over head of a six inch nail to bowl them out a bit. Still can't really get the shape right though. I spray painted the inner petals which work better as a butterfly shape wrapped around another. Still not sure of the stem connection which I'm slowly backing myself into a corner over, she'll be right :rolleyes: :U
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[springwater]

One at trial fit-up stage without its centre whoa
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[Sturdee]

Looks good Craig.


Peter.

[tea lady]

:2tsup:looks great!

[springwater]

Looks good Craig.
Peter.

:2tsup:looks great!

Thanks :) I'm really itching to get 'em done at last, it's starting to drag on :-

[springwater]

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Nearly ready to get a bit rusty. If anyone's got a dozen tin/brass bells about 12mm ish in diameter lying around not doing anything, would you let me know? I'm sure I've seen the ones I want in the past but I've looked from pet shops to ebay without seeing them, except for some in China :C

[RETIRED]

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Nearly ready to get a bit rusty. If anyone's got a dozen tin/brass bells about 12mm ish in diameter lying around not doing anything, would you let me know? I'm sure I've seen the ones I want in the past but I've looked from pet shops to ebay without seeing them, except for some in China :CLike the ones they used to put on kids slippers?

[springwater]

Like the ones they used to put on kids slippers?

Nah, I think you mean ones like these:
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I thought of using an up-turned bell to jam onto the stem:
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I need, give or take, 12mm diameter bells like these to do it:
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Preferably plain surface but I could possibly grind off any eyelets or embelishments.

[springwater]

Looking at thimbles now but they tend to have flatish tops :doh: Life is so hard :rolleyes: :U

[Acco]

Something like this?

http://www.ozbongs.com.au/images/D/medium-slip-in.jpg

[Acco]

Or these, 1" Antique Brass Cone Spikes (http://gothicpunkspecialtyhardware.com/individual_item_pages/1_in_cone_spike_antique_brass.php)

[springwater]

Something like this?


Thanks Acco, tops too flat though :C

Or these, 1" Antique Brass Cone Spikes (http://gothicpunkspecialtyhardware.com/individual_item_pages/1_in_cone_spike_antique_brass.php)
Thanks again :2tsup: Now that's getting close but the stem need to connect too and without the means to do it any other way I thought I'd be able to jam a metal bell thing up hard against the sepal/petal body, as in:
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Dunno, maybe I just make 'the bell shape in wood, drill a hole for the stem to pass through and glue it all up :?

[springwater]

How about grease nipples?

[tea lady]

Something like this? https://www.thatbeadshop.com.au/index.php?mod=inventory&view=item&id=2530&cat=162

Or what about brass candle holder things. :think:

http://www.cws.au.com/auto/thumbnail/persistent/catalogue_images/products/chrome%20candle%20cups.jpg?maxwidth=300;maxheight=300;pcolor=ffffff;type=jpeg;style=padded http://www.cws.au.com/auto/thumbnail/persistent/catalogue_images/products/candle%20cup?maxwidth=300;maxheight=300;pcolor=ffffff;type=jpeg;style=padded

CWS Store - Candle Cup 10pk | Carroll's Woodcraft Supplies (http://www.cws.au.com/shop/item/candle-cup-10pk)

Or get a metal spinning guy to do some?

[tea lady]

bashed up bottle caps? :think: Or those little disks off champagne bottles? I'll help.:D

[springwater]

Something like this? https://www.thatbeadshop.com.au/index.php?mod=inventory&view=item&id=2530&cat=162

Or what about brass candle holder things. :think:

CWS Store - Candle Cup 10pk | Carroll's Woodcraft Supplies (http://www.cws.au.com/shop/item/candle-cup-10pk)

Or get a metal spinning guy to do some?
Nah, we need some curvature :joystick: They're hard to find those right metal spinny guys, they go all enginering tollerancy on ya

bashed up bottle caps? :think: Or those little disks off champagne bottles? I'll help.:D

:D Nah, tried it :- goes too crinkly :doh::C

[springwater]

Something like this? https://www.thatbeadshop.com.au/index.php?mod=inventory&view=item&id=2530&cat=162

Or get a metal spinning guy to do some?

Achully, that's why I'm so impressed with AndyMacs' skills although I don't think he's a spinny guy but he can bash the daylights out of metal to make something of it, I always wanted farm skills :C

[springwater]

Bent the petals here that wore some more paint off ready for the rusting, got to pack it up now, see you214677

[tea lady]

I do know a metal spinny guy. Will try and track down his number. Or you could see if the guys at Sovereign Hill will do it? :D

[springwater]

Thanks heaps tl. Hard to connect with anything after 60hr+ weeks on the trot (now troty stagger :D)for however long it's been, I need to be somewhere else but I don't know the way out at the moski, catch 22, hope spinny guy can uderstand the thing I can see to make through intermitent Swahili :-

[springwater]

I eventually decided to jam the petal cluster down on the peened head of fence wire by hammering the wire through the cluster while its bottom was bedded into a metal socket with a leather seat.

Next comes the sepals before their all fixed on with some customised tinny bells I found at Spotlight, yeah Spotlight :-
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[Sturdee]

Looking good. Craig.




Next comes the sepals before their all fixed on with some customised tinny bells I found at Spotlight, yeah Spotlight :-


Ah Spotlight, the Ladies Bunnings store. :2tsup:


Peter.

[Bushmiller]

Looking good. Craig.




Ah Spotlight, the Ladies Bunnings store. :2tsup:


Peter.

I once made the mistake of confiding to a work colleague that I had a VIP card for Spotlight. He pointed out that if he had been me he probably wouldn't have chosen to mention that:-. However, in the next breath he said he had a trade card at Total Tools. He conceded a rebuff when I asked him if that made him a "Total Tool." :wink:

Regards
Paul

[springwater]

Just in case your trying in vain to find combed wool, dyed red, that's made in Nepal it's in the felting isle..don't ask what I used that for :p