Test; Can You Pick The Mauling Dog(s)?

[gemi_babe]

the following web-page has an interesting multiple-choice test, using real incidents of severe maulings by dogs in the US of A.

Can you pick the dog responsible by breed?


http://ncrf2004.tripod.com/id6.html

[kiwigeo]

the following web-page has an interesting multiple-choice test, using real incidents of severe maulings by dogs in the US of A.

Can you pick the dog responsible by breed?


Never been bitten by a dog but the other day a good friend of mine got bitten by a Bandicoot.

[Grunt]

Over the years I've been bitten by a number of dogs. They were all little yappy terrier type dogs.

I had a look at that the www.edba.org.au. Interesting site. I don't believe that a particular dog breed should be banned because any dog with proper training (beaten, kicked etc) can become a killer.

Sadly some dog breeds attract the wrong type of owner. Those who want a 'tuff' dog. The dogs are treated as above and we end up with dog attacks.

I actually think that all dog owners should have to take a test or do a training course on dog behaviour and training. I've known a couple who bought a dobberman and because they didn't understand pack mentality and how to deal with dominance, the dobberman was out of control and became the pack leader. Sadly, this dog was put down.

[Alastair]

FWIW

Soe years ago I saw a study published that showed that the most dangerous dog (ie most bites recorded) was the favourite kids pet, the cocker spaniel.

This highlights one of the pitfalls of statistics. Because the cocker is so popular, there are going to be more incidents than with a scarcer breed. This ties up with what Grunt said.

However, a kid bitten by a bad tempered Cocker will probably need stitches, while the kid bitten by a Rottweiller, or Pit Bull Terrier is more likely to need a body bag.

Which all goes to confirm the saying:

There are lies, damn lies, and statistics!

Alastair

[LineLefty]

This link: http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Information/Rpt96.pdf

shows the following stats (Breed) (No. Attacks) (Percentage)

1. CROSS 159 35%
2. GERMANSHEPHERD 61 14%
3. UNKNOWN 49 11%
4. CATTLE DOG TYPES 40 9%
5. ROTTWEILER 39 9%
6. BULL TERRIER TYPES 38 8%
7. DOBERMAN 12 3%
8. COLLIE TYPES 9 2%
9. TERRIER TYPES 9 2%
10. BOXER 8 2%

Not really that usefull but there is an abundance of ******** statistics on the net about dog attacks. There is a need for a comprehensive survey of attacks by breed but it desperately needs to be compared to the population of the breed!

Sure there is no Presa Canario attacks in Australia but theres probably only 100 or so dogs. Similarly, there are thousands upon thousands of Labs/Goldies and they don't rate a mention.

Despite the protestations of their owners, Pitbulls, Rotties, Dobermans, Akitas, Chows, Presa Canarios are intimidating, threatening dogs and people will want them banned. In the case of Pitbulls, Akitas, and Presa's I'm all for it.

[LineLefty]

To add my own experience. My wife worked in a boarding kennels a few years ago and we used to mind the complex when the owners went away. That experience taught me a couple of things.

The most dangerous breeds in our backyards are the cattle dogs. They dont tend to maul people but they just have tendency to just warn kids/people with a quick chomp.
Thats why the'ye called heelers.

I've seen a Presa Canario in the flesh. If ever there was an advert for breed specific legislation they're it. I don't care what the edba says those dogs are so in bred that they've lost the pack instinct and are just aloof, unpredictable brutes.

And Grunt, in my humble opinion boxers are definitely the bimbos of the dog world. Gorgeous, muscular scaredy cats.

Finaly, my wife probably handled 2000 dogs in her time and the only bite she ever recieved was from.........a little POS jack russell. Why anyone would want one of those arrogant yappy things beyond me.

[Grunt]

And Grunt, in my humble opinion boxers are definitely the bimbos of the dog world. Gorgeous, muscular scaredy cats.


I'm not sure about bimbos, I think clown is more appropriate. Both of mine are almost 8 years old and the haven't grown up yet. They are too busy playing to pay much attention to me, unless there is food or a ball involved.

The bimbo of the dog world has to be the afgan. My sister had one. Brain the size of a pea.

Yes, boxers are definately scaredy cats but it would be a braver man than me to jump a fence with 2 barking boxers on the other side.

Chris

[ptc]

Today
that "thing"on the left ,pinched my poweball
and when i tried to get it back she bit me.it was a good one 4 plasters.
needless to say she ate the power ball
*****.
by the way it was my own fault.
ptc

[Grunt]

Since this is more interesting than doing work:


http://www.mja.com.au/public/issues/aug4/thompson/thomb3.gif


Some of the sites that I went to while looking for the above were interesting. A number of sites were from lawyers trying to hawk there wares.

Also, I found out that 2% of the US population get bitten by a dog each year. I don't think the dogs are trying hard enough. :D

[Christopha]

Today
that "thing"on the left ,pinched my poweball
and when i tried to get it back she bit me.it was a good one 4 plasters.
needless to say she ate the power ball
*****.
by the way it was my own fault.
ptc

I hope the poor dog got vaccinated!

[kiwigeo]

Not really that usefull but there is an abundance of ******** statistics on the net about dog attacks. There is a need for a comprehensive survey of attacks by breed but it desperately needs to be compared to the population of the breed!
I'd also like to see Australian native animals ranked in similar fashion....would be interesting to see where bandicoots would rank on such a list.

[gemi_babe]

Do some breeds attack more?
The real question is, ‘are there particular breeds of dog which bite more than others?’
A dogs tendency to bite is the product of at least five factors: The dogs genetic predisposition to aggression; early socialisation to humans; its training or mistraining;the quality of its care and supervision; and the behaviour of the victim(6). Genetics is only one of these factors. The breeds of dog that have been labelled as dangerous varies not only from country to country but over time. Breeds which have attracted attention as being ‘vicious’ over the years have included, German Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers, American Pit Bull Terriers, Chow Chows, Akitas, St Bernards, Bloodhounds, Great Danes, and even the Australian Cattle Dog.
To answer the question, are some breeds more dangerous, we would require reliable data on dog bites by breed as well as corresponding data for the dog population at large also by breed. Unfortunately given the inherent problems in accurately identifying a dogs breed, these data do not exist(7). However, over the years there have been various attempts at reporting dog bite data by breed the results of which are summarised in Table 1. What is notable about these studies is the diversity of breeds mentioned in reports as well as the persistence of particular breeds. For example German Shepherds were mentioned in 28 out of 31 studies but some breeds such as Chihuahuas and Shih Tzus were only mentioned once. It is also interesting to note that
Pit Bull terriers were mentioned in only eight reports. One also must remember that the definition of “Pit Bull”, not a recognised breed of dog, varies from place to place.
In the US the term “Pit Bull” is generally used to describe all bull terrier type dogs, ie the American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and often the English Bull Terrier, and American Bull Dog. On the other hand some authors use the term “Bull Terrier”, a recognised breed, to mean all bull terrier type dogs. In Australia there appears to be no clear usage of either the term.
There are few studies which have attempted to measure the relative dangers of particular breeds and also use reliable measures of the relative frequency of the breeds in the dog population(8-13). All but one of these studies identified German Shepherds as being over represented in dog bite statistics with relative risks ranging from 3.4 to 1.8. The other, a cohort study of over 3000 dogs found that German Shepherds were no more likely to bite than Labrador Retrievers a result the authors attribute to their being involved in more cases of attacks outside the home which were not the subject
of their study(12). The study also found that mixed breed dogs were no more likely to bite than pure breeds. None of the studies identified Pit Bull Terriers as being over represented in dog bite statistics although the study by Thompson found Bull Terrier type dogs to be over represented although there were no American Pit Bull Terriers featured in the study(11). More recent data provided by the author shows that although GSDs, Rottweilers and Bull Terriers are still over represented, Jack Russell Terriers have now joined the list at number two (RR=2.3) after Rottweillers, while Australian Cattle Dogs have now been relegated to the ‘safe’ list (RR=0.6). This indicates that although some breeds consistently feature on ‘bad’ dog lists others
come and go as dog ownership fashion changes.
One may speculate, given these results, why it has never been proposed that the keeping or breeding of German Shepherds again be restricted.

I have the full article and more in PDF form if anyone is interested.

[gemi_babe]

The next question to be resolved is ‘do attacks involving Pit Bulls result in more severe injuries?’ As expected there are very few studies examining this particular question. Of the two reports cited here one is an analysis of dog attacks reported in the media while the other is a study of animal attacks reported to a animal control officers of a local authority (6, 14). The report by Lockwood and Rindy which relied on unvalidated media reports of dog attacks found that more than half of the 278 reports involved Pit Bulls(6). When this study is compared to other contemporary studies this figure appears high indicating a reporting bias towards attacks involving this type of
dog. Another bias inherent in this study is that the injury severity was not validated and, in light of the hysteria surrounding this breed, media reports may have tended to overstate the severity of the injuries where Pit Bulls were involved. Also media reports may be more likely to wrongly identify the breed as a Pit Bull where the injuries are more severe. These biases were recognised by the authors. Of the 143 Pit Bull attacks 38.5% were regarded as serious (requiring medical attention) compared to 26.7% where other breeds were involved. This result was not statistically significant. The authors also found that the common theme in virtually all attacks reviewed was that the owner had not taken appropriate steps to prevent the dog from becoming a problem and that irresponsible owners are not a problem unique to one particular breed. Consequently they recommend that dog control legislation must
emphasise responsible ownership.
The other study involves reports of 2132 animal bites in 1993 to animal control authorities in Palm Beach County(14). All bites were graded for severity from 1. Very superficial wound requiring little or no first aid, to 5. Death. There were 143 pit bull attacks comprising 8% of all bites of which 16% had a severity of 3 or above (requiring medical attention). Corresponding figures for other popular breeds are Dalmatian 24%, Rottweiler 21%, Doberman 17%, Golden Retriever 16%, Labrador Retriever 16% and German Shepherd 12%. Compared to other popular breeds the figure for Pit Bulls does not appear to be excessive.

[kiwigeo]

Have been thinking about getting a dog but after reading all these posts Im confused.

Used to have a Springer Spaniel..well it wasnt technically my dog but it couldnt stand its owners so would spend all day (and most nights) at my place. She was as thick as two short planks but what she lacked in intelligence she made up for in entertainment value and just plain old good company.

Anyway the choice is a Springer or a Fox Terrier....whadayareckon?

[Sturdee]

Can you pick the dog responsible by breed?


I don't care what breed they are, if they attack people than they ought to be exterminated.

My wife has twice been attacked by dogs that their irresponsible owners allowed to roam the streets. Each time we made complaints to both the owner and the by-laws officer. The first time the by-laws officer did not want to do anything about it. I made numerous phone calls to this officer, all to no avail. Only when I got my friendly QC to issue a writ against the Council for failing to carry out its duty, did they proceed against the dog owner, and then with a vengence. Result a $ 250 fine and dog executed. Second time only one phone call to the by-law officer was necessary. Similar court result.

I have nothing against responsible dog owners but IMHO if they are irresponsible owners may be they themself should also be exterminated.

Peter.

[gemi_babe]

Try this pet select link Kiwigeo.

http://www.petnet.com.au/selectapet/dogselectapet.html

Hope that helps.

[Christopha]

7.62 fixed a pair of spaniels here a while back........ they won't chase any more sheep...... and as for moggies, me compost heap is full of them and their bloody collars with bells!

[Christopha]

If you want a house dog then just about anything with Maltese in it will give you a fun, gentle, not too bright little friend. Anything resembling a foxy, miniature, Jack or whatever will give you a hyperactive, happy, yappy and sometimes snappy, mate forever. A Border Collie will give you an intelligent, gentle mate with boundless energy and a passion for frisbees, tennis balls and seagulls.

[rodm]

We have had a mongrel, two Jack Russels and for the last twelve months we have been boarding my son's Pit bull. All have been really faithful companions but the Jack R would be the one to bite you. The Pit bull is a gentle giant but if he ever did cut loose the strength and weight of him would cause some serious damage.

[AlexS]

.... She was as thick as two short planks but what she lacked in intelligence she made up for in entertainment value and just plain old good company.



Nothing wrong with that Kiwi...we're also thinking about another dog, and the last thing we want is a dog that's more intelligent than the rest of the family! :D

[jackiew]

I'm actually quite surprised given the amount of legislation in Australia restricting people from doing this that or the other without being registered that there isn't a requirement that dog owners attend an owners course and provide evidence of it

a) when they buy a dog and/or
b) when they register their dog.

I've been attacked by dogs while jogging, cycling and while motorcycling. The worst attack was when I was on my motorbike I had a dog going for me on both sides. Have to say I was absolutely terrified and ended up riding out of the side street onto a major road without looking properly in my hurry to escape. Fortunately for me and for anything that I might have hit there was nothing coming.

As a cyclist using cycle paths I have had a number of "interesting" discussions with owners who don't understand that even if their dog is in an off lead area they must still have their dog under control. Which means that the dog cannot be allowed to run off round the corner out of their sight. It also means that the dog must respond to voice control.

I hate those extending leads with a passion. There seems to be some rule that if your dog is unable to walk to heel you go out and buy an extending lead. Result the damn animal is "nominally" under the control of its owner but actually free to veer into the path of a cyclist, leap up at a jogger or terrify a small child.

Some owners seem to encourage their dogs in their bad behaviour. "Oh Fido - don't do that" they say but in a tone of voice which tells both me and Fido that actually they think Fido is being really cute and clever after he's just head butted me in the stomach.

Being told "he won't hurt you" is no consolation to a hysterical child who HAS already been bitten by someone else's dog in the past and now has some idiot's terrier leaping up and snapping at them. Why do some dog owners think it is ok for their animal to approach other people who quite obviously don't want to be approached by their dog.

I don't hate dogs. But I hate quite a few dog owners. end of rant.

[Christopha]

AAAAH Jackie, beauty AND brains as well...... ;)

[Wood Borer]

Christopha,

This explains why Jacky looked us up at the show - people with brains and beauty associate.

[LineLefty]

I'm not sure about bimbos, I think clown is more appropriate.

I stand corrected, clown is more appropriate. If we had more time to spend walking the dog, a boxer would've been high on the list. Like dalmations, they never seem to get out of the puppy stage.

We too have a lot of incidents when walking our greyhound. They're absolutely defensless when those dogs-on-the-loose pick a fight.

With regards to jackiew's comments about the off-lead areas, we were one of thse annoying people who couldn't "control" their dog. We'd let her off the lead she'd run and run and run and come bac to us when she felt like it - after sniffing every dog in the place. Unfortunately you just can't let greyhounds off the lead unless it's in a fenced in run.

Having said that I've had a Jack Russel (Or tenterfield) owner have a go at use because we didnt have a muzzle on after her little yaper had a go! :mad:

As for you Christopha, I am half maltese. But I dont think I'd make a good house dog.

[Daddles]

You mean you're not house trained Adam?

I had a maltese x shitzu. Gentle, loving little critter. Completely wet. Not only the cats beat her up but bloody kittens as well. But a great little companion and a great little dog. The ex got her ... and keeps the poor thing tied up in the office whereas the dog used to spend all its time with me.

Extenda leads. You may hate them, but I think what you are hating is the misuse of them. I use them, well, I did when I had my little dog. She was too thick to be trained to the heel. Believe me, I tried and I've trained dogs to utility standard. So we walked on the extenda lead. It meant she couldn't go wandering off, she could have a sniff and if I had to get her closer, I didn't have ten feet of rope to control - it all rolled up inside the handle. The extenda lead is a great device, but like all devices, has to be used properly and with consideration.

Pit Bulls. Remember when they first arrived and lots of people had them? Then they became nasty things ... and suddenly, lots of people had 'cross breeds'. There are far more of the things out there than admitted to. I was talking to a dog control officer one day and he was telling us that the Pitt Bull is completely unpredictable. You never know when it's going to go for you. And most of the attacks he attended were by '
calm, gentle house pets'. Sorry, some breeds should be done away with and some control is needed over cross breeds.

But what about these bloody dog rescue homes that will try to save EVERYTHING that comes to them. Sure, a lot of nice dogs get placed in rescue homes, but every one of those dogs was put there for a reason. Usually, that reason is because the dog is a problem. Regardless of the reasons for that dog becomming a problem dog, what's the sense in sending it back into the community. Hell, a neighbour's kid was attacked by a dog they got from a rescue home. It turned out the dog had been sent there ... because it attacks kids, and the buggers put it back in the community to a home with kids. Personally, I've had three dogs from rescue homes - one was lovely, but a compulsive barker, another was a happy dog but barked, dug, destroyed, etc regardless of training and walks, the final one turned out to be skitzo - it'd turn on other dogs and people with no warning at all. I now buy puppies and create my own problems rather than inherit someone elses.

Cheers
Richard
who also should be working but ...

[gemi_babe]

Its understandalbe what many of you think about 'American Pit bull Terriers' given what the media and uninformed, uneducated people have to say about them. (cause we all believe what we hear right?)
I own a Staffordshire Bull Terrier... are you going to slag the hell out of that breed aswell? They were breed for fighting aswell and considering the size of them, I would say they're pretty good fighting machine. Whats that? No Staffy's are harmless right... Well the Pit bull, just like the staffy are people dogs and it all comes down to how the dog is trained.

What is going on in Queensland at the moment could very well happen in your own state if we don't fight BSL now.

Restrictions have been extended to other breeds and crosses by some
Queensland Councils. More than 15 breeds and crosses have been
targeted (CCCQ, 2002; Queensland DLGP, 2003) and one Council, as
well as restrictions on particular breeds has restrictions on dogs over a
particular weight or height (Mount Morgan Shire).
The Breeds with restrictions are as follows....
American Pit Bull Terrier
Bull Terrier
Fila Brasileiro
Japanese Tosa
Dogo Argentina
Dobermann
German Shepherd
Greyhound
Rottweiler
Bullmastiff
Neopolitan Mastiff
Maremma
Anotolian Karabash
Great Dane
Rhodesian Ridgeback

Time to do something don't you think? Or will you wait till they come knocking asking for your dog because its on the 'list' and must be PTS now????

[fxst]

well if it saves me a bullet it must be ok and my stock is safe as well double bonus :D
Pete

[bitingmidge]

Not all dogs are what they seem to be: http://www.watleyreview.com/2004/052504-3.html

or are they???

P

[gemi_babe]

Mr Midgey... :P Upon reading that article it had me believing for a while then I was informed about the site....

The Watley Review is dedicated to the production of articles completely without journalistic merit or factual basis, as this would entail leaving our chairs or actually working. Names, places and events are generally fictitious, except for public figures about which we may have heard something down at the pub. All contents are intended as parody and should be construed as such.


FXST.... you could try to get a few alpaca's in to watch over your sheep. Check this link out... it may be of some help...

http://forums.dogzonline.com.au/index.php?showtopic=15485

Hope the link works, if not, let me know and I will copy/paste the info here for you!

:)