EEE and Traditional Wax

[Groggy]

I've just about worn out my search engine looking for information about using EEE Ultra Shine and Traditional Wax together.

Is there any benefit to it and are they compatible? (I assume so but thought it best to ask, you never know :shrug: )

EDIT: Great, I seached using the words "traditional wax over EEE" and had no returns, then hundreds of unrelated stuff. After I posted this message there are three or four links at the bottom with what I wanted :?

I was looking for the EEE to polish/burnish the surface so the trad wax would have a very smooth and even surface to apply to, even though it is duller than Shellac it should look better, no?

[Jim Carroll]

As the EEE is an abrasive if you mixed with the trad wax you would be basically cutting the finish.

Better to keep them apart sand the use the EEE then use the trad wax on its own

[Groggy]

Sorry Jim, I meant that I would try using the Traditional Wax AFTER I had applied the EEE, not actually mixing them together before applying them. :doh:

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

:yes: It works for me.

[Groggy]

I've done a few samples. On one side of a board I used EEE and Shellawax cream, on the other EEE and Chinese oil. The first side looks ok but the Shellawax has some waves in it from going sticky too fast (or I am too slow). The other side the Chinese oil does not want to 'go off', it may be the temperature, I'll look again in the morning.

One more test will be EEE and Trad Wax (couldn't find mine so will have to buy some more :(( ), the other side will be EEE and Shellac.

[Skew ChiDAMN!!]

I found that with Shellawax Cream I can only work on an area of about a square foot at any given time if I want reasonable results.

Personally, I think that if you want to apply it over large areas you're better off using shellac instead.

(Then again, I could be biased because I use a LOT of Shellawax on my turnings, so expect the Cream to be as easy to apply... but don't find it so.)

[LGS]

Hi Greg,

I get brilliant results using EEE ultrashine and Trad wax. I use the EEE as the final cutting agent on the piece, then use 2-3 coats of Trad wax about a day apart.

Here's a Blackwood table finished this way.

[Groggy]

Very nice! Do you need up to 3 coats?

[Tex B]

If you google "rubbing out shellac" you'll find lots of links with reference to things like pumicestone or rottenstone, which are essentially Americanisms for EEE. (Not sure if they're technically the same, but functionally are so.)

I have found EEE quite good for the final rub out of brushed or padded shellac, which leaves a nice smooth surface for traditional wax.

Tex

[LGS]

Very nice! Do you need up to 3 coats?

No, but I find the finish more resilient with three coats. One coat should give a similar finish.

Regards,

Rob

[Groggy]

Thanks Rob, I'll give it a go.

[Chesand]

I do the same as LGS. Have used it over Hard Shellac and Minwax Wipe-on with great results.

[Jim Carroll]

Greg the shellawax cream is more a friction polish needing speed and heat to work it into the peice which is why it works better on the lathe.

Also a little is better than more.

It could be you are applying too much and not generating enough heat to spread the paste so getting lines.

[Groggy]

Thanks Jim, the Shellawax works fine on the lathe as you suggest. I wanted to try it on a board to see how it would go. The Shellawax cream burnished up ok with a 2000 grit pad and left a pretty good finish. The Chinese wood oil did not want to go into the wood and remained on the surface.

I picked up some more Traditional wax today and will be using that after the EEE.

[Groggy]

I do the same as LGS. Have used it over Hard Shellac and Minwax Wipe-on with great results.I'll give that a test too, thanks!

[Jim Carroll]

Greg you could try using the swansdown mop to generat heat.

Make sure it is loaded up first on another bit of wood as this helps getting heat into the mop before you start on the peice you are working on.

May help with the oil as well to get it burnished into the wood instead of sitting on top.

Heat here is the key factor on boards etc where you dont have the assistance of the lathe and your knuckles to generate heat.

[Chesand]

I'll give that a test too, thanks!
Greg
I posted two pics last week under "Recent Project" & "Tasmanian Myrtle Coffee Table". I used this method on both projects.

[ubeaut]

Both EEE and Trad work best over a thin coat of Dewaxed White Shellac (http://www.ubeaut.com.au/dewaxed.html) or a couple of coats of Shellac based Sanding Sealer (http://www.ubeaut.com.au/sandseal.htm). Sand very lightly with 1200 grit to remove any raised grain then use EEE and Traditionsal wax.

Trad is also used as an upkeep wax, applied from time to time or whenever the work piece needs a bit of a lift. This could be monthly, quarterly, every 6 mths or longer. But every time you use it the surface is rejuvenated and will gain a slightly higher and more brilliant glow.

Cheers - Neil :U

[Groggy]

Thanks Neil!